Entering one dotted an one shorter note

• Dec 14, 2014 - 13:11

This is for musescore 2 beta 1

When I try to enter c (quarter dotted) plus d(eighth),
I do so:
quarter, dotted c
In most cases (I suppose more than 90%) no the next note should be an eighth.
but if I enter d, I get a dotted quarter.
In my opinion, it would be fine for most cases, to get an eighth, so the length for the next note should be an eighth; afterwards however another quarter.
In an very old version of capelle you have the possibility, to enter <4> <,> which gives you a dotted quarter c and an eighth d.
The same problem is with double dotted notes.

Would be fine to see this changed in one of the next versions.


In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Mind reading or not, the point is an important one for anyone transcribing music. It is very tiresome, when you have a lot of dotted rhythms, as in a Boroque piece in 6/8, to have to keep switching back and forth between the dotted note and the short note. Of course, it is also important to be able to write successive dotted notes that are not followed by a shorter note (referring again to the example of a Boroque piece in 6/8 time).

Maybe it would be possible to have an alternate keyboard command, similar to the one for a dotted note (the period), that would tell MuseScore that the note following should be dotted. It would be best if it would keep on producing the dotted note followed by the shorter note until it was turned off or some other time value was selected.

Well, this gets complicated, of course. Now I am thinking of the typical 6/8 figure of a "dotted eighth, sixteenth, eighth" sequence that is so common. Would there be a way to reproduce that repetitively? And what about other common rhythmic sequences? Some way that MuseScore could remember a certain rhythmic figure and have that figure assigned a temporary keyboard command, so that this feature could be adaptable to whatever repetive rhythm was currentlty being transcribed? Clearly a problem for better minds than mine!

In the meantime, what I do to make this easier on my fingers is to type in all the dotted rhythms as equal values and then go back and select the notes I want dotted and dot them using the "period" [.] keyboard command. The note following gets automatically shortened. So, for instance, if there is a dotted eighth note (quaver) followed by a sixteenth note (semiquaver), I type in two eighths, then I go back after I have finished the section, select the first eighth and type in a period (full stop). The note becomes dotted and the note following gets shortened to a sixteenth note.

In reply to by Jake Sterling

(This is an elaboration of the thought in my previous comment.)
The attached file shows just a few of the rhythms that are commonly found in a long series of repetitions. The dotted rhythms are the most tiresome to type as each note requires a new key stroke in addition to the stroke of the pitch value and the dotted notes require two strokes.

Here are some of the repetitive dotted rhythmic patterns commonly found in Western classical music
(measure 10 got in there by mistake)


Most pieces with this kind of rhythmic repetition use only one or two of these patterns; so, my thought is that there could be a keyboard command the result of which could be set with a palette: for instance, if the piece were in 6/8 time, the typical 6/8 dotted rhythm could be selected on the palette, then, when the keyboard command for the repetitive rhythm was selected, the subsequent three notes would fall into that rhythmic pattern automatically; and this pattern would repeat until some other rhythmic value was typed in. This system would be flexible enough for any sort of rhythmic repetition, but would use up a minimum of keyboard commands.

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I agree, this is an anoying issue for me, too. Especially when having to change the rhythmical values over and over again (for every single note!), as described by ChurchOrganist. I couldn't come up with a satisfying solution yet, however I think it would be best to introduce different note input modes. I imagine a button (and its corresponding keyboard shortcut) switching between 'continue with last note value' (default) and 'continue with assumed note value'. Depending on the time signature, different situations could be handled, I suppose. As a rule of thumb, the filling of the current beat might be the best choice. That would cover dotted notes in dependency of the time signature, making dotted eighths being followed by sixteenths in 4/4 for example. Double dotted notes would be covered as well by this.

Another idea would be to have a dropdown menu allowing to select either 'continue with last note value' (default) or the 'smallest note value to complement'. That would even allow to enter repetitive patters of dotted 16ths followed by 32nds in 4/4.

I would prefer the second idea, since it is more configurable, although I'm not quite sure which would be better. The first one seems easier to me, being more limited however.

In reply to by jschwalm

I think adding yet another mode would be a bad idea. Much beter would be to simply have a command within note entry mode that somehow does the right thing. For example, if pressing some special key had the effect of turning the two most-recently entered eighths into dotted eighth sixteenth. So you'd enter a set of dotted eighth / sixteenth pairs as "4 C D * E F *". Or if some special key had the effect of adding a dot to the previous note and *temporarily* changing the selected duration to half the current duration, so you'd enter that same passage as "4 C * D E * F". I'm sure other possibilities exist that would work without requiring a new mode.

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