globally move fingering

• Jun 29, 2015 - 00:41

How do I globally move l.h. fingering:

horizontal offset 0.00sp
vertical offset 0.00sp

horizontal offset -1.00sp
vertical offset 0.00sp

At the moment I have a lot of fingering under the note and it takes sometime to get it out.
What seems to have happened is that in turning the score from sibelius 2.0 to musescore2.0
it has taken out the information on where the fingering goes and set it to some default 0.00,0.00.


I assume you used MusicXML to import from Sibelius. It is indeed true that this will not generally preserve manual positioning. However, MuseScore does have automatic positioning for fingering elements that won't get applied by default when importing from MusicXML. Instead of actually moving the fingering elements yourself, instead you can select them all as described above then press "Ctrl+R". This will automatically apply MuseScore's own default fingering positioning, which takes into account a number of factors and should yield better results than just setting all fingering to -1sp horizontal offset. Although, MuseScore differentiates guitar and piano fingerings, and LH versus RH for guitar as well, so you might need to set that up correctly in the Inspector as well first to get the correct results.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thanks for your reply. When I try select it selects everything lh fingering rh fingering tempo markings the lot, I have tried playing around with it to no avail. I think that I found the default positioning, all the fingering become large - about normal size, and left and right hand fingers go on top of each other. Just to move all the fingerings a bit to the left would be an improvement on how things are now, because now have to fish fingerings from under the note.

In reply to by macrobbair

You can restrict which set of fingerings get selected by Select / More / Same subtype.

Another approach, perhaps better suited to your specific use case: just change the default text styles for the different fingering types.

Not sure what you mean about "all the fingering become large" - are you saying you pushed some button and the fingering changed size? That shouldn't happen unless you asked it to, if you are having problems, please post the score you are having problems with and precise step by step instructions to reproduce this specific problem.

BTW, I did look into making it so the automatic fingering would apply on MusicXML, but it's tricky because at the point where we read the fingerings, we haven't finished reading the measure, so the automatic fingering algorithm gives the wrong results. It's not necessarily an unsolvable problem, but not as simple as I originally hoped, so it will probably stay as is for now.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I am still not getting anywhere, if I go for Select/More/same subtype only two things happen:
1)it gives stem and greys out same subtype,
2)it gives stave text and technique which appear to be unchangable, selecting these appears to select all fingerings markings .. the lot...
not sure what t try next...

In reply to by macrobbair

It's always easier to help if you post the score you are having problems with (use "File attachments" link just below where you type your response) and describe *precisely* - step by step - what you are doing, what you expect to see happen, and what happens instead.

As it is, I have a couple of wild guesses.

When you say you go to "Select / More / same subtype" anbd it "gives stem", are you trying to right click a stem? You are supposed to right click the fingering. There are four different types of fingering, and if you right click any particular fingering in your score, then go to Select / More, you will see a dialog in which "Element type is set to "Fingering" and the "Same subtype" option is available and will be either "LH Guitar Fingering", "RH Guitar Fingering", "String Number", or simply "Fingering".

If you right click a marking that appears to be a fingering but the Select / More dialog says "Staff Text" or "Technique", then those markings are not in fact fingerings but other text markings that just happen to look like fingerings.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

savetextScreenshot from 2015-08-07 00:06:29.png allselectScreenshot from 2015-08-07 00:14:06.png

Above are two screenshots, the first is the "stem", the second is the "select all", these are the only two things that I have managed to do using right click on a fingering I moved the "e" up an octave and a fourth to reveal the lh fingering.

I prefer screenshot as it shows exactly what happens, is only the bit of the score that I am looking at, but most of all I hope at sometime to make part of my living from actually playing this piece and do not want lots of bad versions of it on the internet.

In reply to by macrobbair

As a full time professional musician, I can assure you that posting a sample score to a support forum is not going to adversely affect you in any way. Quite the contrary, a very large part of my income over the years has derived from people who became of my work online. Anyhow, feel free to delete much of the music before posting if you must, leaving only enough to show the problem. But we generally cannot help much from just a picture. Only by accessing the score itself can we be sure what is happening and help effectively and efficiently. Otherwise we waste a lot of time guessing and you waste a lot of time trying to understand our wrong guesses.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I have done as you suggested and uploaded, see the above link.
I must say that I do not believe you, how do I know that someone isn't going to come along and take my tunes?
I thought about it and in the present case I have emailed the sibelius score to about 100-200 people, so uploading is not going to make much difference.

How do I clear up the score?

In reply to by macrobbair

OK, thanks for posting the score.

The original question was about selecting and moving fingerings. The answer in general is, right click one, Select all similar to get all fingerings, or Select / More / Same subtype to limit it to just one specific type of fingering.

However, this score contains no fingering elements - only Staff Text elements. That's the way it came in from Sibelius I guess. Perhaps a more recent version of Sibelius would export them as actual fingerings, not sure. But had they been actual fingering elements, you could have taken advantage of MuseScore's automatic placement by selecting them all and pressing Ctrl+R.

As it is, you can certainly right click one of these pseudo-fingering Staff Text elements and then use Select / All similar elements, then use the Inspector to move them all at once, just as I mentioned. A horizontal offset of, say, 2sp will get them all out from under the notes. It's true it will also move other types of text, and Select / More won't really help in this particular score, because just about *all* the text is of subtype Technique. It seems Sibelus didn't differentiate the different types of text in its export. So indeed using this method will move pretty much all text, but at least it allows you to get at the pseudo-fingerings.

You mentioned something about a stem, but I don't understand what exactly you were doing. If you right click a stem and select Select / More, the dialog will indeed say "Stem". But if you start by right clicking a Technique text, the dialog will say Technique.

If you have other more specific questions, feel free to ask, and describe more precisely what you are trying to do.

As for someone taking your tunes, you are already fully protected by copyright law, just as surely now as if you waited for - well, whatever it is you might have been waiting for. That's part of my point. But also, if no one ever sees or hear your music, how were planning on making money from it anyhow? It isn't clear what exactly you are concerned with, but actually, the best thing that could possibly happen for you as a composer is for someone to see/hear your music, decide to record it, make a lot of money, and then you would get the royalties. The hard part usually is getting someone to decide to record your compositions, but not letting anyone see/hear them is a pretty sure way to *not* get anyone to record them ;-)

In reply to by macrobbair

There is indeed a limit for scores you can post to as part of a free account there, but that has nothing to do with asking for support. To ask for support, simply attach the score to the post where you ask your question. There is no limit to the number of support questions you can ask here on the support forums, or to the number of scores you can upload here in the support forums. Just a limit on score *sharing* via the free account on the score sharing site, which is unrelated to the support forums.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I had a look, I moved all text and some of it is now behind clef and I cannot get it out.
Now I know can put unlimited up for support but only five for share.
I still find that it takes 5-10 minutes from logging in until finding this thread....
I estimate that it took me 10 hours to write the piece in the first place, 100 hours to work out how to play it and now about 30 hours to convert it.....
The good news is that the soundfonts are much better so play back sounds better.

In reply to by macrobbair

You shouldn't have to go lookng for this thread. Just save the email you get every time someone posts a new response. Then all you have to do is click the link in that email and you will taken directly back there. Or, search for the specific thread title by typing "globally move fingering" into the search box. Either way you will be taken directly here.

Zooming made no difference, what did work is I changed the clef to bass clef, moved the fingering, then changed clef back. Moving things is very slow, it is as if something else is going on, I tried top but it just seems to be musescore. Emails from here go to the same address as my job applications which means that I do get them but they have a low priority, so usually it is start hunting for threads from the first page....

In reply to by macrobbair

I have put both on my webpage, booking marking no good if you use several machines...
still have not worked out:
1)why it takes so long to move anything, I tried top and it say that musescore is using 108% of cpu but nothing much seems to happen,
2)what to do when there are two clefs on the same bar, I guess that this is where the transcription has got the lenght of the notes wrong... nothing budges...

In reply to by macrobbair

Most modern browsers can sync your bookmarks between machines. Some do this by default, others might need an option.

Anyhow, regarding any other problems you have, once again, we really cannot help much if you do not attach the specific score you are having problems with and precise step by step instructions to reproduce the problem.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I get online in a public library, and I cannot see bookmarks being synched to their machines....
slowly working out how to do things, I found that a useful thing to do was start up a new file called something like guitarbuffer and transfer difficult bars and lines to it to work on. A big problem turns out to be that triplets in the second voice of the guitar really confused the transfer and there are often wrong number of notes in a bar, this takes ages to fix...

In reply to by macrobbair

FWIW, it *is* possible to sync bookmakrs even on shared computers, at least with Chrome. You just need to log in. But anyhow, searching for the exact thread title "globally move fingering" from the main search box on the MsueScore page finds this thread instantly.

Once again, I just can't stress enough - if you want help with something in MuseScore, it is virtually always essential you post the specific score you are having problems with and preicse steps to reproduce the problem. Ideally, separate threads for separate problems, with descriptive titles for each that relate to the problem, to make them to find and manage later. Whatever problem you are having with copy and paste is likely a corruption in the original file or else something you aren't quite doing right and either way we'd be help you, but not without the score and steps.

In reply to by macrobbair

Do what more accurately or quickly? Again, in order to help, we really need to know *specifically* what you are having problems with. I can guess maybe it has something to do with positioning fingering, but I'm not sure what exactly you want to see done. I can say that score contains no actual fingering elements - only staff text. That's a result of MusicXML import, I guess. True fingering makrings have automatic placement that makes a pretty good starting point.

To see how to change from pizz to arco, see the Handbook under "Change and adjust sounds". If you have further issues with that, please open a new thread with an appropriate title to discuss that issues.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

the main problem is time. It took me about ten hours to write it in the first place using sibelius 2.0, and about 20 hours to convert the first half. The main problem seem to be that the guitar second/green voice seems to have got a demisemiquaver ahead in the automated conversion and I have to go through it bar by bar, takes about 20mins per bar. The way that I do it is transfer the bar to a new file "guitarbuffer" work on it and then copy and paste back, it can take several goes and many crashes as everything is out by demisemiquaver....

In reply to by macrobbair

Again, without precise step by step instructions to reproduce the problem you are talking about, we really cannot help. I have no idea which bar is off. But copy and paste should any such problem even with no spearate buffer file. So again, please describe *precisely" - step by step, like this:

1) click first note in voice 2 of measure 47
2) shift+click last note in voice 2 of measure 49
3) uncheck "Voice 1" in Selection Filter
4) press Ctrl+X
5) click the rest in voice 2 at the beginning of measure 49
6) press Ctrl+V

This type of approach should normally do the job in under 20 *seconds*. BTW, I just made up those measure numbers - again, I have no idea which measures you are talking about.

The score *is* reported as corrupt, so perhaps your first step should be to delete (completely) the corrupt measures, insert new ones, and re-enter the music. But there are only a handful of these, so that entire operation should not take more than a couple of minutes.

So again, please, if you need help, tell us *precisely*, step by step, what you are doing and what problem you encounter.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I timed it last night - it took 3 hours to correct 6 bars....

The main problem seems to be that in the green/second guitar part musescore seems to think that there are 4 beats + a five hook, it puts the 5hook before the clef. Trying to correct this gives tuplet error messages, crashes and so on - takes ages... It seemed to have happened everywhere where there is a second voice...

In reply to by macrobbair

Once again, I cannot possibly stress this enough: it is almost impossible to helpnof you don't give us *precise step by step instructions* to reproduce any problem you are seeing. I can pretty much guarantee there would have been a way to fix those six measures in under 10 minutes, and I am more than happy to explain how to to do it, but I cannot help I don't understand *exactly* what you are trying to do.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

attached is as far as I have got which is about 3/4 the way through.
before then bars look normal, after 3/4 the way through there is the problem before the clef at the beginning of each line there are notes,

the way that I set about correcting this is to create a new file called gtrbuffer01 and copy the next erronous bar into it. This can already cause tuplet problems. Once the next erron bar is in guitarbuffer I rewrite the bar a few blank bars on. Once there is a corrected bar in grtbuffer I transfer back to the main file, this again causes tuplet problems and can take several goes.

Then to the next bar...

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In reply to by macrobbair

Perhaps I am somehow still not being clear. When I say *precise step by step instructions*, I mean, something like this:

1) open attached file
2) click measure 17
3) press N to enter note input mode
4) press 4 C D to enter two eighth notes
5) ...

etc. I mean, I need to know *exactly* which buttons you are pressing oin which order in order to understand what is going wrong. Without that kind of information, it is virtually impossible to help. You don;t need to tell uys everything you did to the entire score. Just give *precise* instructions to reproduce *one* problem with *one* measure, and we can go from there.

I would also need to know *exactly* what problem you are trying to solve. Like, saying, "measure 19 currently has a triplet on beat 2, I need to delete that and instead enter four sixteenth notes" or whatever.

I can say that since your score is corrupt, that will definitely cause problems, and sometimes the best solution is to simply delete the corrupt measures completely (ctrl+delete) then insert new measures and reenter the music.

In reply to by macrobbair

When you load the score, you should see a dialog telling you the score is corrupt. If you press the Details button, you will see that one of the corrupt measures occurs just before this. While sometimes it is possible to fix corruptions as described in, and it's worth trying to do those things, sometimes a measure is just too corrupt to fix easily, and you should simply delete the offending measure(s) completely, insert new ones, and and re-enter them.

By clcikcing the first note in the bottom staff of each of these measures and checking its time position in the status line, you can see there are actually problems from measure 198 - 204 (notes report as being a fraction of a beat off). So those would be the measure to delete, insert new ones, and re-enter.

Any insight you can provide into *how* the score got corrupt would be helpful. It's possible it was already corrupt in the MusicXML you started with, or it's possible it became corrupt while importing it, or something that happened later while editing. Anyhow, corrupt scores definitely cause problems when they happen, and we definitely like to know any time someone is able to figure out how to reproduce a case of corruption so we can fix it.

In normal use though, corruptions won't happen.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I have problems getting online.
I have copied your comment and the node and hope to look at the details later.

The original was written in sibelius 2.0 (batch processing only works from version 2,1), I downloaded a trial version of recent sibelius and converted everything.

The main thing that seems to have gone wrong is miss-match when there are 2 voices on one stave,
if there was a way of 2-voices 1-stave to 2-voices 2-staves and so on it might help.

I have found that the best way to work is to open the original using sibelius under wine and use this for reference while re-writing the many bars that have gone wrong.

My estimate of about 30 hours to re-write a 2 stave 10 minute work seems about right, anything that I can do to make converting many other files....

In reply to by macrobbair

My point is, there are a very small number of corrupt measures in this file. So you don't have to re-enter the entire work - just those very few measures. Again, a matter of minutes, not hours.

As for other files, again, this won't be necessary at all under normal circumstanes - just for the very small percentage of scores that somehow become corrupt. But any insight you have into how it got corrupt would be helpful in making sure if there is a bug in MuseScore that caused it, we can fix it.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

the number of corrupt measures initially was about 2/3rds, it is not like that now as I have worked my way through about 15/17 pages. Corruption seems to have occurred whenever there are two or more voices on one stave, I tried the switch voice from the drop down menus it made no difference. All the other suggestions in the node above I found the hard way.... I think that the problems occur because the original source was such an early version of sibelius 2.0. Soon op.1 will be converted and op9 was written in musescore, my estimate for op2-8 remains 10-30 minutes for every bar that has two voices on it, that is a lot of time....

In reply to by macrobbair

I'd say if you are finding corruption in 2/3 of the measures, probably the original MusicXML file was corrupt, but feel free to post it so we can investiagte. Anyhow, in tyhese extremely rare extreme cases, you should probably just give up on using the MusicXML file and re-enter the score from scratch.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I have finished converting op.1 to musescore more or less. It took over 30 hours. Remaining problems include: getting the pizz. and con sourd to playback, checking the fingering - I had to move the whole lot to the left at one point as it was under notes.

Now what to do with it? As it was written july 2005 and has never been played it is probably best to go for exposure. Presumably I can change the raw opus one on musescore com to the corrected version. It is possible to upload to various facebook groups, but then the problem is what type of file(s) to upload. A third way is to use recordmydesktop and play it and then upload to youtube. Any suggestions?

Op.1 converted to musescore and Op.9 written in musescore, that leaves op2-8, I have to work out the best way to convert and make time estimates. Should I upload the lot to this thread - that is a lot of files, or just op1 before and after or something else? Any suggestions?

In reply to by macrobbair

Depends on your goal. Right now the most interesting thing to me is to see an example of a MusicXML file that, once imported, contains more than a very tiny handful of corruptions. If you have such a file, just post that, ideally to a new thread, with a descriptive title (eg, "MusicXML imports with corruptions"). A single such example should do for now. Not sure if you'd have other reasons for posting other files. If it's "exposure", then posting here isn't particularly useful. makes more esnese, then you can also ee about embedding the resulting video in other sites. That's really up to you.

In reply to by macrobbair

I tried looking for the orginal file that I worked from, I cannot find it, I found one that is even more corrupt, I have uploaded several to this thread, where I have got upto in fixing it should be immediate, also there is opus one raw in musescore com, should be clear what the original file looked like....

I am still finding faults in my corrected version.....

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