Custom palette - adding custom fingering symbols
I just discovered Musescore a couple of days ago, so bear with me.
I am using 2.0.1 on Windows 7.
I am trying to figure out how to add a custom symbol the palette.
The fingering symbols that are in the default fingering palette are good for most cases, but not all.
I want to add symbols for finger substitution, ie. 5 to 4 , etc.
I can't figure out how to add a new symbol to the palette.
I created a new workspace of my own
I enabled editing on the fingering palette, as well as "Show more elements".
I cleared a few of the fingering symbols I don't need, right-clikced and selected "more elements".
This brings up the "master palette" . The finger substitution symbols are not in there
Is there any way to add them ?
Or can I only choose symbols from the master palette when editing the palette ?
As a bug report, I would also like to report that when creating a new palette within the workspace, right clicking "more elements" on the cell does not bring up the master palette. Ie. There is no way to really edit the content of a new palette at all. Only existing palettes appear to be editable. And yes, the new palette has "enable editing" checked.
Julien
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You've figured much of it out on your own, good job with that!
Fingerings are just oridnary text. So you can add a regular fingeringing element form the palette, double click it, edit the text, then add that to the palette. The "more elements" item is not needed to add elements to a palette - instead, simply Ctrl+Shift+drag the element in, either from the Master Palette (which can be displayed normally from the View menu or the shoft Shift+F9) or from your score.
BTW, I'm not sure which finger substitution symbol you have in mind, but I've seen an arc over the the two numbers. This can be added while editing the text by pressing F2 to bring up the "Special Characters" dialog - it's the last symbol on the "Common" page. Depending on font, you might need to also make that character bigger,
In reply to You've figured much of it out by Marc Sabatella
Thanks for the response, Marc !
I was thinking of the 54 fingering with an arc above or below - in this case, it is below as it's for a left hand fingering on a piano/harpsichord score.
Your method works, except when adding a new line after the 54 and insert the arc below, the arc is much too far from the 54 text. The arc should almost touch the bottom of the 5 and 4 , but it's quite far apart. I was able to fix the spacing by using 2 separate elements - one for the 54 text, and another for the arc below.
However, with 2 elements, I am not sure how I can add them both together to the palette.
I can only select one text element at a time and drag it to the palette, but not both.
Actually, I placed the arc below so close to the 54 that I cannot even select the arc at all without first moving away the 54 text.
It would be nice to have a way to select both, and drag them both to the palette.
Edit: I found a way to select both elements toegether, but CTRL-SHIFT-DRAG only puts one of them on the palette.
BTW, I think we have already met, at least in cyberspace, on the Pentax forums.
To be fair, I haven't figured out very much. At this time, I am not editing any new score, just putting fingerings on an existing score - the excellent MuseScore Open Goldberg Variations edition.
I have never successfully used any notation software before - I tried plenty such as Sibelius and Finale, but could never get used to their UI . It looks like MuseScore could be the one, however !
I'm also a C/C++ developer so it's not outside the realms of the possibility that I could contribute at some point in the future, though my free time is limited as I still have a day job.
Julien
In reply to Thanks for the response, Marc by Julien Pierre
Right, the palette needs to deal with single elements only.
For me, the arc under the "54" looks pretty much perfect:
This is using the default FreeSerif font. Does yours look different from this, or were expecting something different?
My steps were as follows:
1) click note
2) double click "5" in fingering palette to add to note
3) double click the "5" I just added to put it in edit mode
4) move cursor past the "5", type "4"
5) move cursor back in front of the "4" I just added
6) press F2 to display Special Characters palette
7) scroll to the bottom of the dialog - the very last characters are the ones needed
8) double click the second to last character (arc below)
I do like it better if I then select it (using Shift+arrow key) and increase the font size of just that character a couple of point sizes. This is especially needed for the arc above.
If you are seeing something different following the same steps, it *could* be becasue I am using the latest develoment build, which uses a different font rendering engine.
And how nice to meet a someone from the Pentax world here! :-)
In reply to Right, the palette needs to by Marc Sabatella
Marc, thank you, that worked perfectly !
The issue was that I was typing 5, then 4, then enter for newline, then inserted the arc below.
I didn't realize I should have types 5, then inserted the arc, then typed 4.
I am almost done putting the fingerings on the Aria of the Goldberg.
I wonder if I could legally distribute it for others who might want it.
Julien
In reply to Marc, thank you, that worked by Julien Pierre
Marc,
Actually there is still a problem for 12 with arc above.
When entering 1, then inserting the arc above, then typing 2, the arc is too low and overlapping both numbers.
See below .
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In reply to Marc, Actually there is still by Julien Pierre
Yes, as I said, depending on font, you may need to increase the size of that arc character. That seems to do the trick.
In reply to Yes, as I said, depending on by Marc Sabatella
Thanks, yes, resizing the arc character alone works. But it's really hard to select. At least, it does not highlight. It's like an invisible selection.
Also, took me a while to figure out that the font & font size was at the bottom - and showing only when text is highlighted.
I was looking everywhere in the edit menu at the top. And in the inspector which has Text/Style, but that changes it for all the characters in the element. I guess I still need to get used to the UI.
In reply to Thanks, yes, resizing the arc by Julien Pierre
That's why I specifically mentioned the need to use the shift+arrow method of selecting. I should probably have mentioned why :-). It's a funny character because it technically has zero width. That is what allows it to overlap the numbers without adding space betwene them, but that same quality means there is nothing to see when it is selected. I think the heigh of the character was probably chosen to work over lower case letters. Not sure what the charcater is normally used for, actually. Probably someone could design a special fingering font where that character was positioned and sized more appropriately.
BTW, the text toolbar doesn't show only when text is highlighted - it shows any time you are editing text.
In reply to You've figured much of it out by Marc Sabatella
Corresponding to the title of the thread, I have a much simpler question:
Having duplicated one of the elements, say the 'circled 6', I can change position and size, but how can I change the content to, say '7', or 'b9'? I'm using this to indicate the note position within the current chord.
(I'm using windows 7, Musescore 3.6.2)
In reply to Corresponding to the title… by HunGrYforMuSiK
"but how can I change the content to, say '7', or 'b9'?"
Simply edit the content: double-click on the "circled 6" and enter 7 or similar. Once done, drop it into a palette for reuse.
In reply to "but how can I change the… by cadiz1
OK, I tried the the following:
when I double-click the 'circled 6' in the palette, nothing happens
when I double-click the 'circled 6' previously attached to a note, I can change the 6 into a 7
Now how to drop it into the palette?
In reply to OK, I tried the the… by HunGrYforMuSiK
"when I double-click the 'circled 6' in the palette, nothing happens"
Yes, in MuseScore, editing cannot be done from the palettes, but from the score itself.
"Now how to drop it into the palette?"
See: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/palettes#add-score-elements
In reply to "when I double-click the … by cadiz1
I see, Ctrl-Shift Drag from Score to Palette does the trick. (I didn't try that one.)
Thank you very much,
Alex