My Music Engraving Sample. Can you do this with MuseScore?
I'm a MuseScore2 user. I never use MuseScore3.
This is my engraving sample with MuseScore2.
Can you do this with MuseScore?
I welcome any challengers.
I think there're no software enough to do music engraving.
I also have Dorico3.5, but it's not perfect.
I'm preparing some topics about problems and suggestion of MS3.
MuseScore has enough potential to do music engraving, but some updates of MS3 abandon users who want to make their music sheets more beautifully.
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What exactly of this do you have trouble with in MuseScore 2? Or in MuseScore 3 for that matter?
I don't see anything obvious that wouldn't be possible in either
In reply to What exactly of this do you… by Jojo-Schmitz
I just want to show my engraving sample made with MuseScore2 here.
I have enough skills to do music engraving with MuseScore2.
But I can't recommend MuseScore as notation software for music engraving.
You'll be able to know almost MuseScore users can't do music engraving like this sample I made if you try to trace it with MuseScore. MuseScore has lots of problems with music engraving and some updates are wrong. I'm preparing to make topics of the problems about MuseScore engraving, but it's very difficult for me to explain them because they're highly complex.
In reply to I just want to show my… by HashibosoP
Sorry, this doesn't seem to make sense. You claim you did that with MuseScore 2 but also claim it to be impossible with MuseScore 2?
In reply to Sorry, this doesn't seem to… by Jojo-Schmitz
I made this with MuseScore2, and my highly skills made it possible. But, I think most users can't do what I do.
In this topic, I want to show off that my skills of MuseScore and Music engraving are very high level. "Can you do this with MuseScore like my samples?" This is the thing just I want to say here, and I would be glad if anyone challenge this. I also think of creating other topics about problems of MuseScore, but just other topics not here.
I only want you to know my skills are high when you see my topic.
In reply to I made this with MuseScore2,… by HashibosoP
Mucic engraving is an art, so yes, one needs to develop some mastery to be able to fully use MuseScore's capabilities.
It's a fairly dense score, so I'd expect you'd have to change some style settings to allow for this closeness, but I too don't see a lot of things that would require trickery at all.
The only direct trickery I can spot would be the cross-staff chords at the end of m9 and in m10.
The other one (but this is likely being worked on for MS4) is that you'd need some hidden rests in the bottom staff to allow the pedal lines to anchor to the segments of the top staff.
In reply to It's a fairly dense score,… by jeetee
The invisible rests would have been needed in version 2 for the pedals as well. That or use something that only looks like a pedal. There is nothing more difficult in version 3 than in version 2 in that score.
In reply to It's a fairly dense score,… by jeetee
Few notation software has functions to reduce gaps of each note spacing. MuseScore also has no reasonable functions to reduce note spacing. Actually MuseScore has the function adjusting Segments, but it does not work to reduce note spacing. So it's very difficult to make score densely.
(Dorico's function)
Dorico can reduce gaps of each notes easily like this .gif. But some other functions of Dorico about note spacing works too complicatedly as I can't understand them deeply.
The function about adjusting segments of MS2 has very complex behavior to work, but MS3's function about them is terrible.
(Terrible behavior of MS3)
I want to create a topic about how the function of adjusting each note spacing should be, someday.
But in order to make the topic persuasively, I should explain how MS2 was and how MS3 is, even though the function of adjusting segments is very complicated. And I should argue what the functions about note spacing are necessary. So hard...
In reply to Few notation software has… by HashibosoP
What you're showing from Dorico is pretty much what the difference is between leading space and chord X-offset in MS3 (which are both available in the inspector as well as via shortcuts).
I seem to remember a topic that indeed pointed out the bug with negative space leading to more space rather than less. (https://musescore.org/en/node/307105).
Note that leading space ignoring the minimal note distance in MS2 was a plain bug, that has been fixed in the meantime. You really do want to change that style setting if you're looking into compressing scores this much (more than stretching a measure allows for)
In reply to What you're showing from… by jeetee
And if you're compressing the entire measure you can easily select all notes in a measure and change their leading spaces all at once. The bug does not show up in this situation.
In reply to And if you're compressing… by mike320
I completely understand how the function about segments of MS2 works. I wrote some articles in my blog. I think Segment is only the function of adjusting "Additional Spacing" added by accidentals, ledger lines, Clef, ties, lyrics etc. This is the reason why reducing leading space doesn't work when the notes don't have any symbols like accidentals in MS2. Reducing segments, especially reducing trailing space in MS2, always don't change the ratio of note spacing, only reduce the whole width of the measures as same as the function of stretching measures. There is no function to change note spacing which only decided by the kinds of notes and rests which the measure has. MuseScore should have such a function to stretch each note spacing like Dorico. But I think the function of adjusting Additional Spacing is also useful because the appropriate amount of additional spacing always changes depend on the density of scores. So I want 2 types of the function adjusting note spacing in the notation software for music engraving.
When I want to reduce note spacing, I don't use offset because it's too stressful, just only use Segment or input hidden rests as to divide segments. So MuseScore having no reasonable function of reducing note spacing is the important point which makes it too difficult to adjust note spacing in MuseScore. The changes of the function of segments in MS3 is a fatal blow for me even if most users aren't. I'll write about this in new topic someday.
In reply to I completely understand how… by HashibosoP
The problem with all trickery used (and probably needed) in one version of MuseScore is, that it'll bit back hard in the next version (which probably needs another set of tricks), when trying to potrt a score from one version to another
In reply to The problem with all… by Jojo-Schmitz
And that is why I never resort to trickery.
In reply to And that is why I never… by underquark
And that is why we coined the expression "in an underquarkian fashion" ;-)
In reply to The problem with all… by Jojo-Schmitz
That is why I avoid opening version 2 scores in version 3 (I never used version 1).
In reply to That is why I avoid opening… by mike320
No real reason for that though, on a case by case basis. Most 2.x scores adjust to 3.x quite easily. For some more work is involved, for some very few it is next to impossible.
In reply to No real reason for that… by Jojo-Schmitz
When you extend stems for two staff chords they don't push staves apart in v2, all of them have to be fixed in v3. Also, letting MuseScore reset everything to default positions loses all customizations. I'm dealing with converting a large symphony from 2 to 3 right now and I'm not having fun. All of my voice 2 text is now above the staff and voice 1 dynamics are below the staff among other necessary adjustments.