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i exported a .mid of the Walkure-score https://musescore.org/en/node/314661 from Musescore and it seems to me that the notes in the bassclef are not transposed correctly. dont know who is to blame.
regards bottrop
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The midi export is fine but the note entry by Marty Strasinger is flawed.
Prior to about 1920, instruments such as the horn that were normally written in the treble clef that had a range that extended to the bass clef wrote the notes an octave lower than they should have when the bass clef was used. MuseScore does not support this notation directly so there are two ways the transcriber needs to work around this.
Use an instrument change at each clef change and set the transposition appropriately
Use an ottava bass clef with the 8 above the clef rather than the standard bass clef.
Either of these methods will work to fix the note entry error. BTW, once the transposition issue is fixed, select all of the wrong notes and press ctrl+up arrow to move them to the correct octave.
So, any score from before 1900 you can be about 99.999% sure that it was written with the odd transposition. Anything after 1900, you need to look at the notes on the score to determine which transposition method was used if the instrument usually is written in Treble clef but there are some sections written in Bass clef.
In reply to The midi export is fine but… by mike320
Thanks to everyone in this thread for making this known. I will work on correcting the problem.
To paraphrase for clarity, is the issue that any time a bass clef is introduced in what is normally a G clef instrument stave the as-sounded pitch is an octave too low?
In reply to Thanks to everyone in this… by marty strasinger
I think you said that correctly. Instruments that are normally G clef that have some notes written on the F clef have the notes written an octave lower in the F clef than they sound.
Note that this is not a 100% rule so you need to look at the score to see if this applies. In the score cited in this thread it applies to the horns and bass trumpet. It may apply to other instruments and I'm willing to help you if you run into problems figuring it out.
In reply to I think you said that… by mike320
Thanks for the quick reply. @bottrop had noted the issue with horns and the bass trumpet, is it likely to also apply to the bass clarinet? (I can probably figure that out on my own but another opinion is always welcome.)
In reply to Thanks for the quick reply. … by marty strasinger
With Wagner I wouldn't expect it to happen with the bass Clarinet. Germans normally write Bass Clarinet on the bass (F) clef and use treble (G) clef to avoid ledger lines without changing transposition. I have seen cases, like "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" where they changed transposition but Dukas is French.
In this opera, I looked at the Bass Clarinet part and it looks look like the same transposition for all clefs. One clue that you may have the different transposition is that on the bass clef there will be few or no notes between middle C and the octave below it. Another clue is that notes at the bottom of the bass clef are red for being out of normal range. Neither of these is true in this opera.
In reply to With Wagner I wouldn't… by mike320
I'm fixing the score now (I'll be using your recommendation No. 2) and your observation on the bass clarinet is correct. I'm also keeping an eye on the trombones, just in case.
In reply to I'm fixing the score now (I… by marty strasinger
I've never seen this happen to a trombone. It's probably because they don't use treble clef. If they don't use bass it's either alto or tenor (both C) clefs.
In reply to I'm fixing the score now (I… by marty strasinger
It seems Wagner expected some awesome high note work from his bass trumpet.
![bass trumpet.PNG]( "bass trumpet.PNG")
In reply to It seems Wagner expected… by marty strasinger
Please find attached the corrected score.
Again, thanks to @bottrop for finding the issue in the first place, and to @mike320 for providing guidance on the correction.
I'll have to split it into two parts again for posting on musescore.com because the file is too long as is for the website to accept.
In reply to Please find attached the… by marty strasinger
I noticed that in horn 4 starting m163 there are wrong octaves past the mistaken clef change. That looks like the only pace.
In reply to I noticed that in horn 4… by mike320
Somehow, Horn 4 was shifted to D from E at the very beginning of the piece. This happened at some point between my first posting to musescore.com, when it was correct, and when I started to add the second part of Scene 1.
Anyway, a bit more work to do...
In reply to Somehow, Horn 4 was shifted… by marty strasinger
Hopefully this corrects the last of the issues!