Transpose Alto to Tenor Sax
Hi, I imported a song which is already at Alto Sax pitch. How do I tell Musescore that this is already at Alto Sax pitch, not Concert pitch? Once I have done this, I would like to transpose it from Alto (Eb) to Tenor (Bb). Thanks
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That score is not in concert pitch, so nothing to change there
And it is (renamed to) Tenor Sax already too, but with wrong transposition settings, so just change to Tenor Sax (again?) via staff properties > Change instrument, then transpose down an octave (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Down)
In reply to That score is not in concert… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you, actually you have noticed that I have been playing with the transposition (I'm new to Musescore), and had saved it as 02. Could you look at the original .mscz (attached) and outline the correct steps needed to save as 1) Alto) and 2) Tenor?
In reply to Thank you, actually you have… by hello385
Same thing basically: ust change to Tenor Sax via staff properties > Change instrument, then transpose down an octave (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Down)
In reply to Same thing basically: ust… by Jojo-Schmitz
The original is set to instrument: Voice, which is concert pitch, but my score is already at Eb pitch. Shall I set Instrument to Alto Sax (which will transpose it) and then select all and manually transpose the pitch back so it still starts on D, then save as 'Alto'? Then change instrument to Tenor, select all and go down an octave, and Save As Tenor.
In reply to The original is set to… by hello385
Is your score (supposed to be) in C-Major/a-minor (if so: transpose it to that, Tools > Transpose) or in A-Major/f#-minor (in that case do not transpose it)?
In reply to Is your score (supposed to… by Jojo-Schmitz
This is the original pdf which has come from "The Beatles - That's Easy - For Alto Saxophone". I want Musescore to play it to me so I can play along on Tenor.
In reply to This is the original pdf… by hello385
Looking at
https://musescore.com/user/39593079/scores/15757570
It seems the song is (ment to be) in C Major
In reply to Thank you, actually you have… by hello385
Hmm, I guess you'd also need to transpose it to C-Major
Please also post the PDF - for alto sax.
You have imported it and the instrument is "Voice", but it should be Alto Sax. And you changed it to tenor sax. But I would like to have the original "Voice" version as a starting point.
In reply to Please also post the PDF -… by HildeK
I have the following suggestion ...
A Hard Day's Night - Tenor 3.7.mscz
In reply to I have the following… by HildeK
Here's mine
In reply to I have the following… by HildeK
Thanks very much - you did that very quickly!
In reply to Please also post the PDF -… by HildeK
Here you go - the pdf and the original conversion .mscz
In reply to Here you go - the pdf and… by hello385
Thank you.
Apart from a few enharmonic mix-ups, the file I posted above is correct. But I'm not so sure how they should be, the pitch is the same anyway.
In reply to Thank you. Apart from a few… by HildeK
Thanks! Hope you've had as much fun as I've had! Interetsing software. When I bring the original Alto .mscz in I have to change the instrument from Voice to Alto Sax (which transposes it) and then select all bars, right click and transpose to 0 - Perfect Unison, so that the piece is still in perfect unison with the pdf. To get to the Tenor part I have to select all bars and go down a forth, (like on a piano from Eb to Bb) and then change the octave. To get to piano I have to select all bars and transpose a minor third down (from Eb to C). So - as per the Transposition Chart, the first note of the piece for Alto is D, for Tenor it's G and for Piano it's F. I've attached the files - do you think they are correct?
In reply to Thanks! Hope you've had as… by hello385
> do you think they are correct
Not at all - sorry!
You must not change the transposition of the individual instruments in the "Staff/Part Properties"!
This will result in a completely different pitch.
It works as follows:
Then you have the correct version for the alto saxophone.
Now you just have to change the alto saxophone to the tenor saxophone ("In Staff/Part Properties"), but you have to move all notes down an octave - Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Down Arrow.
You can do the same with the piano, but here you don't have to correct the octave.
The key is adjusted automatically.
In reply to > do you think they are… by HildeK
Oh Right! This is much better - thank you. So when I import music from an alto sax pdf I need to know the main / piano key (in this case it was C major) using the Transposition Chart. I've followed your guidance for the next pdf - the 'Alto' file is the raw file converted from pdf, and the 'Alto 01' file is the file after transposing. Am I getting any closer?
In reply to Oh Right! This is much… by hello385
... and here is Tenor and Piano - so much easier! (If it's right!)
In reply to ... and here is Tenor and… by hello385
Yes, it's true, at least as far as the pitches are concerned. But you still need to correct the timing of a few measures. I don't have the PDF ...
And yes, you need the key signatur of the score. Piano, flute, trombone, tuba and a some others are the instruments which are written in concert key while trumpet, clarinet, saxophon, horn are transposing instruments.
In reply to Yes, it's true, at least as… by HildeK
Thank you so much - you have set me on the right lines for a lot of transposing to come! Yes there is still work to do on the actual music but its great to know the correct process for transposing now. I've attached the pdf in case you want to do it.
In reply to Thank you so much - you have… by hello385
I don't need the PDF unless I need to correct the remaining timing errors. But you can do that yourself, as I have already seen above.
Or use your transposition chart to see that the difference Eb alto and Bb tenor is up a forth or down a fifth. Use the Transpose function to transpose by that amount. I'd use down.
Why?
The PDF says Voice not because it is in C major but because that label is what got assigned by the PDF reader. It has no idea what the original instrument is. This is an Eb part.
OK, so you have sheet music written for an Alto Sax, so it;s already transposed. Just create a score with an Alto Sax instrument and copy directly. The attached score shows an Alto Sax (a transposing instrument) and piano (C) for comparison. Note that you have Concert Pitch turned off to enter the music when you have a sheet that is already written as transposed and you are entering the music into the instrument it is intended for.
In reply to OK, so you have sheet music… by underquark
The OP already has a score with the alto sax part. And a transposition chart. All that is needed is to go to Tools/transpose and do the transposition as directed by the chart. In this case, a fifth down.