Turn off automatic note functions

• Apr 15, 2011 - 20:41

Is there any way to stop Musescore from automatically anticipating how you want your notes and rests placed. I guess what I mean is I would like to be able to just enter what I think I want without it automatically changing.

Thanks for any help

Gary


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Can you give more detail on what you mean here, too? What specifically are you trying to enter, entering, what are do doing to enter it, and what is MuseScore doing that you don't expect? it should already be the case when entering notes that MuseScore enters exactly the notes you typed. The spacing rules are pretty standard in music typesetting, but if you really want notes to be placed differently, you can double clicking them and move them with the arrow keys.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Ok here is an example of what I ran into last night. And this may be just my lack of knowledge about how the programs works I had notation that was 1/8-1/4-1/4 When I decided to change the 1st 1/4 to an 1/8 note it put automatically put and 1/8 rest in too. When I tried to delete the 1/8 rest it would not delete nor let me move it and it just kept getting worse from there. I finally deleted the measure and started over. ?
Gary

In reply to by gborelli

Yes, I'd say that's a result of your unfamiliarity with the program, although to be sure, you're hardly alone in this.

MuseScore has a a different way of editing music than, say, a word processor does of editing words. It takes a while to get accustomed to, but if its any consolation, virtually everyone who uses both Sibelius and finale will tell you Sibelius is much easier to use, and MuseScore is much more like Sibelius than Finale. I came from Finale and found the adjustment difficult at first, but within a week, I reached a point where I knew I'd never go back.

Anyhow, the simplest way of explaining the difference here is, what would it mean *musically* to delete a rest? You can't hear a rest, so how would deleting the rest change anything? You can't delete silence. MuseScore thinks musically, whereas a more "visual" program would tend to say, deleting a rest should be like deleting a letter in a word processor - everything else just moves over. But this is really backwards *musically* - you're deleting something, and the result is that now suddenly you hear something?

So when you changed the quarter to an eighth, MuseScore assumed that was the *only* change you wanted to make - you didn't also want all the rest of the notes to move over just because you shortened one. That's why it inserted a rest - so the notes you didn't change would not in fact change. And as noted above, deleting a rest really doesn't make musical sense. The only way to not hear a rest is to actually play something instead. So if you want to not hear silence, the way to do that isn't to delete the rest - it's to enter the note you want to hear instead of the silence.

Now, if it so happens that the sound you wanted to hear instead of that silence is the quarter note you originally told MuseScore you wanted to hear on the "and" of 2 but now are changing your mind and wanting to hear right *on* beat 2, then you tell Musescore that *directly*. For instance, by copying and pasting that note (or a whole series of notes you want moved - MuseScore couldn't possibly guess how many notes you want to move) to the location where you have now changed your mind and decided they should start instead of where you originally told MuseScore they should start.

Sounds complicated, I guess, when it's put into words. But it really does come down to this: think musically, not visually, and things start making a lot more sense. If you want to hear a note instead of a rest, simply enter a note in place of the rest - that's all there is to it. If you want change when a note gets played, you copy and paste it to a different location in the measure - that's all there is to it. You don't accomplish either of these tasks by fiddling with what what used to be there and hoping that this has the right magical ripple effect on the notes you actually want to hear - you simply enter or move the notes you want to hear directly.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I did try inserting a note instead of the rest and what it did was move the note to the right of the rest and I had a heck of time getting it turned around. My ultimate solution has been to go to a blank measure, re-write what I was trying to accomplish and then cut and paste it into the problem measure. Not the correct way to do it but a work-around for now. What I was hoping for was a way to stop Musescore from caring what was musically correct until I had imputed what I thought would work and then let it scan through it and catch what was wrong.

Thanks for responding.
Gary

In reply to by gborelli

Depending on what program you used before, if you did, you will probably have to rewire yourself to thinking different with MuseScore. I know I did. I used to use a program called "Deluxe Music Construction Set" (anyone heard of that one?) which was very simple but you could force it to do all kinds of things. I was very adept at making it do what I wanted, and it would allow insertion of notes anywhere.

When I went to Finale, things changed drastically. Now that I am using MuseScore I had to relearn my methodologies yet again. MS enforces the musical rules all the time.

In reply to by schepers

You guys are so totally right it is amazing. Once you get your head wrapped around this is becomes a joy. Marc you nailed it right on the money. You have to get your mind away from typesetting and into the music. The concept that a rest = nothing is soooooooooooooooooooo true. Once I started copying and pasting into the rest the program actually started doing what I was trying to do myself. This really takes some abstract out of the box thinking but once you catch on it is great. Thank you all for your kindness and patience.

Gary

In reply to by gborelli

You're welcome, but don't I should add, it's not like there aren't times when the more "visual" approach might be a more natural way to solve some particular problem. There have been several discussions in the past - including one fairly recently - on how MuseScore might one day add another mode of operation. I think we used the term "insert mode" and "replace mode", like a word processor.

But still once you get your mind wrapped around the current use model, the need to have another mode available doesn't seem nearly so strong as it does at first.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Actually I think the visual approach is kind of already there. After absorbing what you had to say and understanding the concept I started playing around with some other ways to input data. What I found was when I took it out of Note input and used cut and or copy and paste and pasted into an existing note with a different note value the program was reacting like I wanted it to do when I was in Note input. This worked especially well when I pasted into a rest. I ended up using the computer keyboard almost as fast as I can typeset in a word processing program. I think what might be needed is a kind of quick start guide for the basic stuff you need to know to get started. If one exists I haven't found it. But, using the copy and paste outside of note input did give me a kind of visual way to do this.

In reply to by gborelli

Yep. I think the bottom line in our last round of discussions was people saying, it would be nice to have a mode of note entry that basically worked exactly like what happens if you were to copy and paste the rest of the notes in the measure early or later.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Well as far as I am concerned, finding this program was one of the better things to happen recently. In today's climate it is really encouraging to find a group that is dedicated to sharing knowledge with out the usual " whats in it for me?" attitude. I will continue to post as I grow and learn in this program.

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