Do as you are told when you are told

• Oct 5, 2011 - 20:03

Love the package but must repeat my gripe. It should not change things unless I ask it to - it's like being second guessed by an idiot. The voice I am writing in should remain unchanged until I explicitly change it - and if I change it, that is all that should change. The note length I am using should remain unchanged unless I explicitly change it - and if I change it that is all that should change. Whether I am entering notes or rests should remain unchanged unless I explicitly change it - and if I change it that is all that should change. Pretty please!


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Taken literally, that really doesn't make sense. MuseScore is designed to always keep the correct number of beats in a measure. So changing the length of any note requires changing the length of something else, or you'd have a corrupt measure.

Of course, it's entirely possible that with a ton of work, MuseScore could be redesigned to allow measures with the wrong number of beats while editing. But as someone who has used both types of programs,, I can state pretty unequivocably that MuseScore's model is more efficient. The way you describe it, *every single edit* would require multiple steps, as your first change would create a corruption that you'd then have to repair. The current way, at least some edits can be done in one step only. On average, the current way definitely ends up taking fewer steps.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Sorry for long absence - been out of the country.

I'm talking about first time entry of a new score, not editing.

I'm not trying to force 'illegal' note or bar lengths. When I move between voices I want the note length to stay the same as currently selected. When I change note length I'd like the voice to remain unchanged. At present any time I change anything (note length, dotting, rest, voice) I have to work systematically left to right across the palette to ensure that I catch any settings which have altered - tedious.

I'm not at home now but I'll post some specific examples of this behaviour when I have a chance. Quite possibly the behaviour I want would not suit everyone, but it might be nice to be able to configure a preference for settings to be 'sticky' - i.e. hold their value until explicitly changed by the user.

In reply to by Dougie

If you change the note of one note without changing any other lengths or adding/deleteing any ither notes to compensate, you are changing the length of the measure. If it starts off with four beats, and chsnge a quarter note to a half without compensating somewhere else, now you have five beats. Thus, you'll just end up having to delete the extra beat yourself anyhow. Not only that, but it's not accurate to say that this is only changing the one note. If you had four quarters, and you change the first to a half, the other three quarters have now changed their start time. They used to start on beats 2, 3, and 4, but now they start on 3, 4, and presumably beat 1 of the next measure. So if you thout wpyou were only chaning one note, you are wrong, you've changed all four. It's the current editing mdel that actually is closer to what you describe. The nte on beat 2 is sacrificed to make room for the new half note, but the jotes on beats 3 and 4 ate left completely upalone - just as you say you want.

Of ocourse, the problem here is that in you are probably describing what you want incorrectly. That is, you don't want MuseScore to leave the other notes where they are. You want MuseScore to move them for you, even though you never touched them. That's a fine request, and indeed, quite a few people have requested something similar (see about half a dozen other threads, mostly from former Finale users who are used to that way of working). So maybe someday, it will get implememted. But don't fool yourself as to what it is happenng. Such a mode would involve MuseScore doing considerably more than it is told - moving all subsequent notes in the measure. Whereas the current method actuallly is doing the bare minimum above and beyond what it is told - just enough to keep your measure from having the wrong number of beats, while keeping as much as possible of the rest of the measure unchanged.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Marc, he's not talking about trying to shift notes or change lengths within the bar of existing notes. It's an interface design issue he's having, one that I had when I first started using MS and I still encounter it sometimes. It happens when entering notes using the mouse.

When you are entering music lines in one voice, and switch voices to enter other lines, the voice number doesn't "stick" as he puts it. If you inadvertantly click on something else like a note in voice one, the voice, note, and other details will switch to those values. It does make entry when not in voice 1 very frustrating. Finale will keep you in the voice (layer) you select and not try to be smart about what you might be trying to do.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

"I do agree the non-stickiness of the duration buttons (as well as the selected voice) is a nuisance."

And so do I.

I also wish there was a more intuitive way of writing the inside choral parts.

If you do these by hand you enter things in this order

1. Melody
2. Bass
3. Alto and Tenor notes vertically for each Melody and Bass note.

In step 3 in MuseScore you are constantly having to switch voices :(

Not sure how that could be overcome unless you work in open score format and then compress it all into closed score at the end.

Also because you work vertically up or down the parts it would be handy to switch off automatic cursor movement.

Regards
Michael

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