Volta
I read all about how to use Volta, but on my sheet it does not work the way I would like. The music we use, we sing three different couplets and then finish with a fourth part. I tried all §he samples gib-ben by other users, but I'm incapable to reproduce it on my sheet. Is there anybody out there that can help me please.
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I think this is what you want: right-click on first Volta and change Text to "1. - 2. - 3. "; change Repeat list to 1,2,3. Then right-click on second Volta and change to "4." and 4. The delete the Dal Segno.
In reply to I think this is what you… by underquark
Thanks for your fast answer Mr Underquark
I tried it, but unfortunately, id did not work, it plays the first part twice and then continues with part 2.
I’m sure that I make a mistake somewhere, but I dont have a clou, whats wrong. Also explain to me what "Dal Segno" means.
Thanks for your help.
goudse
In reply to Thanks for your fast answer… by goudse
If I understand, you want to play what it in the repeats 3 times and the third time you want to go to the second Volta. You need to right click the last measure before the repeat and select measure properties and change the play count to 3. If you want it to play one more time then change it to 4. The repeat list for the first volta should say 1,2 (,3 if you want the fourth time through) and the second will be be either 3 or 4 depending on how many times the repeat plays. The segnos are the S with lines through them under volta 1 and above the begin repeat.
In reply to If I understand, you want to… by mike320
Thanks mike320 for your answer, but when I click right in the last measure before repeat, there is no "measure properties" only "Bar properties" So what can I do.
In reply to Thanks mike320 for your… by goudse
Bar is the English word for the American word measure.
In reply to Bar is the English word for… by mike320
Thanks mike320, yes now I could modify it, but still I did obtain the result I wanted. I'll send you a small test form and I want measure 1 and 2 to be played 2x and the third time only measure 1 and then measure 3 and 4. I tried everything but did not succeed. Could you tell me where I went wrong. Thanks.
In reply to Thanks mike320, yes now I… by goudse
See attached.
Have a careful look at the volta repeat lists. For the first volta it is 1,2 so it will be taken on the 1st and 2nd passing of that measure. The 2nd volta has repeat list 1 as it is to be taken the 1st time the score passes that measure.
Increase the play count of the measure with the end repeat barline to 3 (or even 4), and modify the volta's repeat list to "1,2" (resp. to 1,2,3).
Not sure whet the3 2 Segnos are good for, without a D.S. there's nothing jumping to them.
In reply to Incerease the play count of… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks Jojo-Schmitz, I tried it, but it dit not give the required result. I send you the modified version. Any other ideas?
goudse
In reply to Thanks Jojo-Schmitz, I tried… by goudse
You did nothing of what I said, play count was 2 and repeat list if the 1-3 volta was just 4 rather than 1,2,3
In reply to You did nothing of what I… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks Jojo-Schmitz, thanks to you and the other Musescore specialist I have found the solution. See my version.
goudse
Updated the file as I assume you want it. Some hints:
Changed start repeat from measure 2 to measure 1 because alto has two notes there.
Measure 67 changed to repeat 3 times. Right click measure, select 'Measure Properties', bottom right has 'Play Count' field. Change it to what you want.
Prima volta set for measures 1 to 67, this is unnecessary for the repeat, but good for reading/printing. Right click volta line, select 'volta properties', change the 'repeat list' field to a comma separated list count (e.g. 1,2,3).
Measure 67 volta 'repeat list' set to 1,2. Play should skip from measure 66 to 68 on third repeat.
Measure 68 volta removed, the default is to play it anyway.
Measure 68 note ties removed since they don't refer to a note in measure 67.
Hope that helps
In reply to Updated the file as I assume… by Peter Gostelow
Thanks Peter Gostelow, yes your modifications worked.
I made a simple test form, only 5 measures, I want measure 1and 2 to be played twice and the third time only measure 1 and then go to measure 3 and 4. I tried everything but I could not do it. Can you give me some advice? Thanks
In reply to Thanks Peter Gostelow, yes… by goudse
What you describe is something like the attached file, right? First select the Volta and change the properties of text and repeat list via right click. Also select the measure of the first Volta and increase in properties the repeat count to "3".
https://musescore.org/en/handbook-notation/voltas
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/measure-operations#properties
In reply to Thanks Peter Gostelow, yes… by goudse
Ok, I had to read everything several times because what you tried is not what you said. Anyhow, I have attached the updates, this time I added measures so you can compare mine with yours and change accordingly. I added notes in the score which may help. Don't worry if you haven't programmed before you probably won't be familar with repeats, loops, and count variables, which is what these are.
Hope that helps.
In reply to Ok, I had to read everything… by Peter Gostelow
Ok, I think I understood, thanks a lot. I stumbled on another problem, the attached element has to be sung 4 times, as the lyrics indicate, however the 4th passage stops at measure 8 but without the last note for the tenors. I found how to have it played 4 times.
In reply to Ok, I think I understood,… by goudse
I don't understand the problem. When I tried it, it played all the way through 4 times with all of the notes sounding. Can you explain better what is happening?
In reply to I don't understand the… by mike320
Thanks for your reply, mike320. I know it played 4 times. But that is not what is required. The forth passage should stop at measure 9 without the last note for the tenors. I hope I made myself clear?
In reply to Thanks for your reply,… by goudse
You need to decrease the repeat count by 1 and put a D.C al fine in the last measure and Fine in the last measure that should play. It is also customary to put a double bar line (not an end bar line) where the fine is, but this doesn't affect playback. This will also tell an actual choir to not sing the chorus on the last time through.
In reply to You need to decrease the… by mike320
?? I'd rather use an end barline in the measure of the Fine, and a double barline in the last measure of the score.
You'd also need to split measure 9.
In reply to Ok, I think I understood,… by goudse
It works perfectly 4 times from the beginning to the end of the 4th time, no stop on 8
In reply to Ok, I think I understood,… by goudse
Like this?
(See attachment)
In reply to Ok, I think I understood,… by goudse
Ok, The repeat is set to 4 for measures 1 - 17. Volta spans measures 9 - 17 and plays on the first 3 repeats. On repeat 4, measure 9 - 17 are skipped, the repeat ends, and play falls through to measures 18. Briefly, on 4th repeat, measures 1 - 8, 18 are played. Also set the volta to play 1,2, and 3 repeat counts.
I scrapped the jumps, using them across repeat boundaries is a bad idea in principal. It is better to skip to the repeat end and let it finish normally.
Is that what you wanted?
In reply to Ok, I think I understood,… by goudse
I could also imagine a version like attached.
In reply to I could also imagine a… by kuwitt
kuwitt, that works I added the last measure. I just think in 6 weeks time, no-one will remember why the repeat is 3 and not 4. 4 repeats and a volta is cleaner to read imho, but the jump does work.
In reply to kuwitt, that works I added… by Peter Gostelow
Not necessary to add the last measure of the verse at the end again in my version.
I divided measure 9 into two measures (however the split tool doesn't seem to work in this score, so I added a further measure, changed the measure duration, excluded it from the measure count and selected the bar line invisible). So it's possible to set the "Fine" to the last note of the verse before the chorus begins.
In reply to kuwitt, that works I added… by Peter Gostelow
Warning ! "Colchiques dans les prés" whose true title is "Automne" is not a traditional French song but a work deposited (S.A.C.E.M.) and therefore not free of royalties. The authors are Jacqueline Debatte (1914-2004) for lyrics and Francine Cockenpot (1918-2001) for music.
In reply to kuwitt, that works I added… by Peter Gostelow
Yes, this is the best solution, thanks Peter Gostolov.
Sorry, I have still another question; how can I add PDF ore photo to my musescore, I tried several things but it did not work. Please gave me your ideas.
In reply to Yes, this is the best… by goudse
not PDF, but JPG/PNG, see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/image
In reply to Yes, this is the best… by goudse
Yes I got it to work like your's, but only with 1 minor difference, the bar line between 8a and 8b are light gray and that I don't know how to do. Is it necessary?
In reply to Yes I got it to work like… by goudse
select, hit V or tick 'Invisible' in inspector
In reply to select, hit V or tick … by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks Jojo-Schmitz, it did the job.
I have to give everybody who helped me, a very big "thank you" I learned a lot.
But here is an other question: I would like to give a colour to the background of lyrics, a different colour for the different voices, is this possible? I know how to change the colour of the lyrics, but that's not what I want. Thanks in advance.
goudse
In reply to Thanks Jojo-Schmitz, it did… by goudse
Hi. It is terrific that your questions are being answered, but it is unfortunate that you have so many different questions in this one thread. Anyone searching for these solutions will not be able to find them
Generally, we start a new thread for new questions so that others can find them.
In reply to Thanks Jojo-Schmitz, it did… by goudse
https://musescore.org/en/node/220071
This explains how to "highlight" items in MuseScore. There is no background color option for text items in MuseScore so this, while tedious at first, is the method you would need to use. It would not be too difficult however, as long as the lyrics are not moved. The easiest way to reuse the highlight on each system is to put it into a custom palette, you can then apply it the same as any other line.
See https://musescore.org/en/handbook-basics/palettes-and-workspaces#custom…
Remember that when that when you apply a line, you have to select the notes where the line spans. The line from the custom palette will be applied in the same relative position as the one put in the custom palette.