Clef change placement
Good morning!
I was working on importing a previous project into Musescore today. In the piece (for solo piano), there are clef changes throughout. Musescore is placing those clef changes after the barline, in the beginning of the measure. The standard practice in engraving is to place a clef change before the barline - so, if measure 4 is changing from Treble Clef to Bass Clef, the Bass Clef will appear at the end of Measure 3, right before the barline for measure 4.
Can this be implemented?
Thanks!
Ryan
Comments
MuseScore too places clef changes before the barline, if they get applied to the measure, but after the barline if they get applied to the first note/chord/rest in that measure
In reply to MuseScore too places clef… by Jojo-Schmitz
Regardless of how the selection is made, if nothing precedes the clef only the measure, it should default to before the bar line.
As a composer, I’m not thinking “this measure will change clef,” I’m thinking “my musical phrase changes clef here.”
In reply to Regardless of how the… by Ryan
Then change your thinking ;-). MuseScore allows both, esp. to allow for mid measure clef changes
In reply to Then change your thinking ;-… by Jojo-Schmitz
Mid-measure clef changes are fine. At the start of a bar, it is incorrect for the clef to be placed immediately following a barline. If a measure begins in a new clef, the clef falls before the barline. For the software to place it after the barline but before any notes is not a preferential thing, it's just incorrect.
In reply to Mid-measure clef changes are… by Ryan
Incorrect? Not if the clef precedes a cue or if the clef change occurs after a repeat section. Both options are needed.
In reply to Mid-measure clef changes are… by Ryan
I've seen professional scores where clef changes are located between the barline and first note. It might not be the best practice, but it happens. If you don't want a clef there, then add it to the measure.
In reply to Mid-measure clef changes are… by Ryan
It is a feature, needed at times, if our don't need it, don't use it.
In reply to Regardless of how the… by Ryan
To be clear: MuseScore supports both layouts, because both layouts are common, used for different purpsoes. So simply use the method that suits your purpose. For the ordinary clef changes that you want before the barline, apply the clef to the measure, not to the first note. For the type where you do want it after the barline, apply it directly to the note (same way you'd apply a mid-measure change).
In reply to To be clear: MuseScore… by Marc Sabatella
"For the ordinary clef changes that you want before the barline, apply the clef to the measure, not to the first note."
Yes, and perhaps what is missing from this thread is this advice:
select the entire measure before applying the clef change.
This feature used to trip me up...
In reply to "For the ordinary clef… by DanielR
Select the measure, double click the clef in the palette.
Or drag the clef from the palette onto the measure.
In reply to To be clear: MuseScore… by Marc Sabatella
Well. In a standard and most common situation, placing clef before the barline results in a better layout look for that measure, as there is no gap to accommodate for the clef. It's good, that there are both options, but I'd say clef placement before the barline is much more often needed and should be considered a standard situation, whereas clef going after barline as secondary/optional. However keyboard shortcut for inserting a clef puts it AFTER the barline by default, making the use of keyboard shortcut less usable. Would be good if it would be the other way around