Barlines at the start of systems don't DTRT.

• Aug 26, 2016 - 13:20

In my lead sheets, I want barlines at the start of every system except for the first. And I want the barline which starts each system to be the same as the one that ends the previous system, assuming it's a single or double barline. (The exception would be that if one of those is a unidirectional repeat sign, the other one shouldn't be. In fact, the bidirectional repeat sign is the only barline that already gets handled correctly.)

Under Style...General...Barlines there is the option "barline at start of single staff", but it breaks by only putting a single barline instead of the one corresponding to the end of the previous system. I can put it in by hand, but how do I have it just happen automatically.

And then how do I have it hide the initial barline of the first system? It doesn't let me delete it, nor does it let me open the inspector to edit the element to hide it. (Not that I'm hoping to have to do that by hand, but since there doesn't seem to be an option to do it automatically I'm at least looking for a workaround.)



There is no current setting to automatically make the initial barline the same as the previous end one; you have to do it manually for now. I'd prefer to see it automatically as well. Could you file a feature request via the "Issue tracker"?

The Inspector is deliberately disabled for system barline because these are generatedon the fly and most properties cannot be set. You could try the "V" shortcut to toggle visibility, which doesn't require the Inspector, but it won't save. Not sure why you want the first system different from others, but feel free to submit a feature request for this as well. Ideally accompanied by some sort of real world rationale, because the use case for this is much less clear.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

The reason I want the first system to have no initial barline is that I'm creating lead sheets in the style of the "New Real Book" (among others... since you're a jazz guy, Marc, I'm surprised you don't prefer this too!). That is, clef and key signature but no initial barline on the first system; initial barline but no clef nor key signature on subsequent systems.



In reply to by Solomon Douglas

I kind of figured that might be the case. Like I said, feel free to submit an official feature request and include this example. Be aware that's an extremely idiosyncratic style - it's pretty much unheard of outside of that one example. And of course, there is no real value in it - no actual harm in not hiding the initial system barline. So most likely it would be prioritized accordingly. But it doesn't hurt to get the idea registered.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Marc -

When you say it's "unheard of outside of that one example", are you referring to Sher Music fakebooks in particular? If so, then I disagree. Or do you mean the one example of jazz lead sheets and jazz ensemble parts? If so, I'd counter that jazz lead sheets and parts are two of the primary use cases of MuseScore.

Here's an example from the old "Real Book":

And from the old "Real Book", volume 2 (evidently prepared by a different copyist):

And from and other bootleg hand-copied fakebook, "Jazz LTD":

And from the "Real Christmas Book" (published by Hal Leonard):

I certainly concede that it's not a universal standard, but I believe that it's sufficiently ubiquitous that many musicians prefer it, and furthermore, I completely disagree with you that there is "no real value" in allowing the users of MuseScore the freedom to make design choices in accordance with their preferences, especially when such preferences are supported by such a diverse variety of published music.


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