Fingering

• Apr 22, 2009 - 08:39

At present, fingering needs to be snapped to the note. However, this always places it so close that I need to manually move it or simply in the wrong place for other notes. Is there a way to add them manually instead of snapping? If not, can it be added


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Yes, I agree it would be helpful to have some more options here. I often need to add lyre fingering to scores and it usually needs to be placed above or below the stuff instead of snapping to single notes which is then very close and hard to read. And only solution I have found is to move fingering marks manually. I would find it nice if it could also behave somewhat like placing lyrics where the fingering stays in one line (or more) and it still becomes attached to particular notes (or chords). In the attachment there is a sample of score with lyre fingering to see more clearly what I mean...

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In reply to by jan_

Is this possible (see the attachment in the previous post...) without editting each note manually?
I believe having the fingering numbers in one line is commonly used look of fingering in the score. (Just for a little explanation of the fingering written in the example score - the circled numbers are considered a standard on modern lyres and mean that left hand should play the notes while uncircled numbers mark notes played with right hand).
For now, this is my biggest struggle with Musescore as I often need to write excersises for lyres, otherwise it is really great! Thanks.

I also think there is a bug in Fingering and String Number settings in "Edit Text Style". Changing the font and size in text style editor does not seem to affect entered fingering or string numbers at all.

In reply to by jan_

The normal fingerings are attached to the note head which means they are moving if the note head moves. If you want to see the fingerings in one line above the staff, using a staff text would be appropriate. You can create your own fingerings palette populated with the proper staff text objects. For this first create a new palette using the palette context menu which can be seen after pressing a palette button for more than 1 sec. After making the palette editable, you can drag elements from the score using the middle mouse button to the palette. Select a note and create an staff text (Create->Text->Staff Text). Then drag this staff text to your new palette.

For this you need the latest mscore revision 2298 which contains some small fixes and extensions for editable palettes. This version allows editing of text properties for staff text which is necessary to create circled text. It also allows dragging of staff text from the palette to note heads and rests. Look and feel is then like "normal" fingerings except that text is anchored to a staff position and not a note head.

In reply to by [DELETED] 3

There is a change in the semantic of Text Style changes. Text Style is applied only to new created text. To change the properties of already existing text use the text property menu. There is now a button to apply the changes to all elements of same type.

In reply to by [DELETED] 3

Thanks a lot for this! I was not aware of the palettes being editable. It seems to me like a very good and flexible solution for a wide range of special needs that many users may have. It certainly makes many things so much easier for me.

Just one thing I have not figured out: How can I delete an item already added to a pallete?
Cheers!
Jan

In reply to by jan_

Yesterday i added a palette cell context menu. First you have to enable a palette for editing. Then right click on a palette item shows the context menu which contains a delete function.
This functionality will be available in the next prerelease.

In reply to by [DELETED] 3

You can create your own fingerings palette populated with the proper staff text objects. For this first create a new palette using the palette context menu which can be seen after pressing a palette button for more than 1 sec. After making the palette editable, you can drag elements from the score using the middle mouse button to the palette. Select a note and create an staff text (Create->Text->Staff Text). Then drag this staff text to your new palette.

I also tried this, but it doesn't work, I use MuseScore 1.0. I further tried to install a logitech mouse-driver for my mouse, put the wheel-key as "standard - middle mouse-key", but it doesn't work. I really need to get fingering like a staff text working, it would save me soo much time for me needs, please help me :-)

In reply to by sven2011

If it does work, I'd love to know too, and would then request that this functionality be enabled without requiring a middle button, which I don't have (nor does my driver appear to support any workarounds like shift-left click or simultaneous left & right click). But meanwhile, I'd buy a mouse with a middle button just to get this feature!

In reply to by jan_

Hi Jan. I was searching for the music (ashamedly I admit I was looking for TABs) for this piece for guitar. I was wondering, with the attachment you put up here, can I play this piece on guitar without having to change tuning or anything like that and also, why does some of the fingering have circles around the numbers?? thanks, bye

I'm finding the same issue trying to create violin scores for young children, the numbering beside the note confuses them as clutter, whereas the convention is to place the string and fingering in a vertical column above the position of the note, so it is still note-anchoring, not staff anchoring, and should travel with the note, albeit a variable distance above the note so as to be above the staff-line, a tricky bit of placement I admit, but if it is possible to get this in a future release, I'd like to add my voice in as a supporter of the idea :)

In reply to by bobzox_321

Yes, I suppose we could; the fingering number on my laptop (ubuntu) places the number so close to the note that it is actually super-imposed on top of the note, so I would need to zoom to an extreme to get a handle on the number by itself and then place it where it should go, and while this would be tedious to do for a large score, this is only for beginner violinists, so the pieces are short and simple, and, well, compared to what it once was, mucking about with paper and ink on a drafting table, yes, even having to position each number is still way easier than doing it by hand :)

But I was still hoping that a simple switch to choose hover-above vs sharp/flat-like positioning might be an easy feature to offer someday :)

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