Time signature error
This is a re-post of something I put in the bug report section. I was told it belong here instead.
The attached file is a small section from Battle of the Heroes by John Williams. There is a extra rest at the end of the first measure which does not fit the time signature. I have downloaded yesterday's nightly build for Windows and the problem is there as well. In fact, that is what I used to create the file. I am running Windows 7.
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Linux Mint14/64 e3b5bd2 (the last available nightly) seems correct.
See attachment
Generally speaking, when the 1st measure is rotten insert a measure behind the second one, write again the first, and delete
And you also have been told in that other thread, it does fit. Doing the math:
One half note + a dotted quarter note + an 8th note + a quarter note + a quarter rest == three half == your time sig.
If you don't want that rest, you need a pickup measure or anycrusis resp. 'actual length', here 5/4
I've looked at scores for this online and most have a 3/2 bar with the last note as a minim where you have a crotchet and a rest. Did you write it down by ear or are you trying to convert a midi file to MuseScore? If so then the last note might sound shorter than a minim even if it is written as a minim but the total duration of the measure shouldn't be changed (well, not by much if you allow for a bit of rubato). It's difficult to write down exactly how a piece should sound.
Looks correct to me too. Half note (minim) tied to dotted quarter (crotchet), followed by eighth (quaver), followed by quarter (crotechet), followed by quarter (crotchet) rest. That adds up to exactly three beats in 3/2 time, just as it should.
It's obvious to me that I need to clarify what I'm talking about.
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/look_inside/5840164/image/260957 This link is the source of the example I transcribed. If you compare this with my example at the top, you'll see there is an additional rest in the example at the end of the first measure.
In reply to Comparing with the source by peter-frumon
It seems pretty obvious that the score at http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/look_inside/5840164/image/260957 is simply wrong (resp. left out thet rest on purpose, see below). That last quarter note in measure 13 needs either to be a half note or followed by a quarter rest, or the lower staff needs to lose 2 8th notes.
I'm pretty sure that the rest is just missing there (and left out on purpose). Note that other rests are missing too, in all these empty measures in the top staff
If you want the same in MuseScore, make that rest invisible, as MuseScore doesn't allow rest in voice 1 to be removed
In reply to It seems pretty obvious that by Jojo-Schmitz
You can have measures with no rests, esp in areas where the theme is not in that staff. But I agree that the quarter rests(s) are missing from specific bars.
In reply to It seems pretty obvious that by Jojo-Schmitz
I agree, the empty top staves was probably a deliberate choice - a but odd, perhaps, but valid. The missing quarter rests (or quarter nites that should be half notes - not clear which) is just an error. the person who produced that piece of sheet just plain messed up. or maybe the notes were entered correctly, but so ehiw it got messed up in some soft sort software conversion (like this might have been the result of MusicXML export/import, and it's the exporting or importing software that screwed up).
The fact that it generates this confusion is one reason to see that this should *not* have been done on purpose. As it is, a player if to wonder if he is to somehow change things in the LH to only have two and a half beats, or if he is to hold the last RH note for two beats, or if he is to rest there. Why go out of one's way to create confusion?
Changing the length of the note worked. I think in future I will have to add up the note values more carefully.
In reply to Fixed by peter-frumon
Well, comparing with the original, I guess changing the rest to invisible seems the more correct change?
In reply to Well, comparing with the by Jojo-Schmitz
Depends on whether the goal was to create an exact copy of an incorrect score, or to create a correct score. Unless it's just for the exercise of learning how to do create this effect when desired - in which case, yes, hiding the rest makes sense - I see no reason to deliberately copy the mistakes in the original.
The copy at musicstore.com has a minim, as do many other stores. The rests missing from most of the measures here is probably deliberate (as you slide down from the top stave to the bass clef bottom stave) - it is seen in many piano pieces including some of the pieces for ABRSM Grades (or, at least, older copies of the works) but the crotchet/minim issue or the missing rest is just plainly a mistake, I think When they indicate the LH playing on the bottom stave then switching to the top stave they appear to have inferred a "rule" of not needing the rest that doesn't usually apply.