Notes too small
Well many people have explained to me, how to fix it countless times. Nothing works. Here is the issue: I want the lines evenly spread out over two pages and I want the notes larger because when i read the music it is way to small to be able to be read on stage. I am attaching the score. If someone is kind enough to fix it for me and then attached the fixed file in a reply i would appreciate it. Thank you very much in advance.
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Play with property page.
When you attach a file to be careful the name (there is a comma at the end)
There ya go - it's as big as it will go on 2 pages.
HTH
Michael
Making the notes larger is extremely simple. The size of everything is controlled by Layout / Page Settings / Space. You are literally controlling the size of the space between staff lines. Make this bigger, everything gets bigger. Make it small, everything gets smaller. It's not complicated. One setting in one dialog controls all sizes.
However, I am curious why you say this comes out way too small to read - this is the standard size used by music publishers for centuries. I wonder if you have something set in your printer to shrink everything?
EDIT: BTW, while it is possible to keep the score on two pages as is - that is, while it is mostly empty measures - if you eventually fill thoses measures with notes, there is no way it is going to fit on two pages without making the notes tiny. But that's OK; you don';t normally read full scores on stage. Instead, you would first extract the individual parts. And then it should have no trouble fitting each part on two pages; might even be able to fit on one.
In reply to Making the notes larger is by Marc Sabatella
Screenshots.
1. Sheet on my screen with default musescore scale. Is this the standard size used by music publishers for centuries? It's clearly small at 100%.
2. If I set scale to 2.625 mm I get normal size of notes capitulums, but space between parties is very big. This is a problem.
In reply to I got a problem with this zoom. by Kolridg
The default1.764 mm you see in the page settings is supposedly the publisher standard for printed music.
What you see on the screen may be quite different.
Personally I find the default a little big and normally reduce it to 1.5 mm when printing scores.
I do find the MuseScore default size a little small when working on my Windows 8 machine at the 1920 x 1200 resolution Windows likes to run in so I use CTRL+mouse wheel to zoom in to 121% which is sufficiently big for me to see what I'm doing.
HTH
Michael
In reply to I got a problem with this zoom. by Kolridg
Try playing with the "Edit general style."
I attach my score that I zoomed to 1625. The page is changed (filling) in proportion to the systems it contains.
The standard size (not an expert) is probably the most widely used for a musician if he has the score on the lectern (pianist or cellist).
Do some experiment (attached 2)
In reply to Hi, by Shoichi
Thanks. It's useful.
In reply to I got a problem with this zoom. by Kolridg
As noted, what you seen on your screen depends on the size of your monitor, your monitor resolution, and what your zoom is set to - don't change the score scaling just to make things look bigger on screen. Simply zoom in (see the Display menu, or the keyboard/mouse shortcuts).
But your screenshot shows you are using a scaling factor that is rather smaller than the MuseScore default. The default is normally 1.764mm, and if you print a score at that size and compare it to published sheet music, you'll find it a good match. Some published sheet music is a little smaller, some (especially music meant for children) bigger, but yes, the MuseScore default is pretty standard.
i suspect you may have started your score from the "Piano" template. For reasons I don't really understand, this template overrides the default and uses a rather smaller size. I suppose some piano music is printed that small, but it seems more the exception than the rule. I think the Piano template should be revamped. I suspect with allthe changes coming in 2.0, a lot of templates will get another look, so maybe this will be revisited. Meanwhile, I personally don't recommend using that template as is. Either up the scaling after creating each score, save a new template with more standard size, or just create piano scores from scratch rather than using a template.
In reply to I got a problem with this zoom. by Kolridg
It's not that upping the scaling to 2.625 added all that extra space between the systems. It added some, but not that much. The reason you see all that extra space is that the page got just full enough to cross the "page fill threshold" set in Style options as described above. So MuseScore is dutifully stretching everything out to fill the page. That is why turning up that threshold will cause MuseScore to not automatically stretch things.
But when you go to print the music, even with the pae fill threshold turned up so AmuseScore doesn't add all that additional space, you'll find the music is *huge* - it will look like it was produced for small children. Maybe that's what you want. But again, don't use the sclaing factor just to make things look bigger on screen.
In reply to It's not that upping the by Marc Sabatella
Pdf has scale 100%. When I print it i got sheet with the same size as at screenshot. All is right? If it is, the sheet seems to be small for pianist reading(yes, i use piano template).
In reply to Well, here is a pdf-screen saved from score with 1.764 scale. by Kolridg
Again, size on screen is dependent, of course, on screen size and resolution. Your JPEG actually looks fine to me on screen, but my monitor might be larger than yours, or be set to a lower resolution so the pixels are bigger. So again, there is areally nothing that anyone can tell by looking at anything on a screen.
But if the print size is too small for comfort for you, then indeed, you need to increase the scale. And I definitely agree that the piano template - which overrides the default - is too small for my taste as well. I am not sure why that template did not simply use the MuseScore default, but I think that was a mistake. The default size of 1.764 is, as I've mentioned, quite consistent with standard published piano music, but if you prefer larger than standard, that is your right, and you can increase the scaling fuirther if you prefer.
Anyhow, the solution for that particular template is indeed to increase scale as I described above. But note, the thread was not about this template - it was about the ordinary default size of notes in MuseScore. So when I said the defaults are ordinarily fine, that's what I was referring to - the ordinary defaults of MuseScore, not what you get when you use the Piano template.
In reply to Again, size on screen is by Marc Sabatella
It's clear.
In reply to Thanks, Marc. by Kolridg
for entering system text. If I go to "style" - "text style" and set for system text verdana 7, i get verdana 10 in my sheet. If i set verdana 8, i get verdana 12. So there is no any scale between 7pt and 8pt in settings to get 11pt in sheet. But this size of it so wonderful in work. Is there any way to get it during scales as 2.625mm?
In reply to In sheet scaled to 2.625mm i can't get font verdana 11 by Kolridg
Not with some an unusually large scaling factor, I'm afriad. That is *huge* - as I said before, it looks like music for a children's book. Or perhaps for people with very limited vision. Are you *sure* you want your printed music that big? Again, if you just want it to look bigger on your particular computer screen, using zoom, not scaling.
As it is, you are scaling the music so much that unfortunately, there won't be a way to get the "in between" font sizes. But if you *are* producing a children's book or book for the visually imparied, then I'd suggest 11-point font is *way* too small. For music printed that large., wouldn't you want the text to be similarly extra large?
You can change the font size to 11 after the fact, though - right click any text element, choose Text Properties, select 11 in the font size box, and turn on the "apply to all elements of same type" option. So even though there appears to be no way to set these "in between" sizes as defaults when using unusually large scaling factors, you can still get the desired result.
I know I keep harp on the size, but it occurs to me we should be sure there isn't something wrong that is causing to think that this is a normal size for music. Have you printed a score at this size and compared it to other printed music?
In reply to Not with some an unusually by Marc Sabatella
Are you *sure* you want your printed music that big?
The aim was to get optimal size of printed music for comfort reading for me. I have good vision. May be my preference is wrong and during reading numbers of sheet i shall understand that. But now i feel it good.
But if you *are* producing a children's book or book for the visually imparied, then I'd suggest 11-point font is *way* too small. For music printed that large., wouldn't you want the text to be similarly extra large?
I need system text only for some explains to myself, which I may forget in future. Therefore I read it only one or two times at most, so little text quite easy to use and at the same time does not prevent read music.
Have you printed a score at this size and compared it to other printed music?
So, I read last sheet long ago in music school and can't say what size they had. Moreover most of them were for chilldren and probably they had big size. Unfortunately I have no any proffesional sheet near me to compare. Can't you show any suitable example to compare? JPG or PDF format should be lucky for this compare, considering the fact that "there is areally nothing that anyone can tell by looking at anything on a screen with musescore sheet. Monitor rezolution and etc."
In reply to May be my preference is wrong. by Kolridg
Tge default spacing of 1.7xx mm is the usual standard (and I find it to big and go for 1.5xx mm
In reply to May be my preference is wrong. by Kolridg
Well, it's one thing if you prefer it to be very large. I am just trying to make sure there isn't something wrong on your system that is causing things to print smaller than they are supposed to. Like maybe you are trying to print on paper smaller than that specified by your score (A4) and your printer driver is automatically scaling everything down. The value for the scaling is literally the size of the space between staff lines. So with the space set to 2.625, that should result in the total height of the staff from bottom line to top being 10.5mm tall. And that's exactly how big it comes out when I print it. Whereas most published sheet music uses a total staff height of around 7mm.
I took a picture of the music for the famous Bach "Minuet in G" from a book, and superimposed a printout of your file after I entered the first few notes. The book I was using is meant for beginners but not necessarily children, and already has slightly larger print than a lot of other published piano music. But as you can see, yours is just enormous in comparison:
In reply to Well, it's one thing if you by Marc Sabatella
So my system is alright and I wanted exactly that size.
The book I was using is meant for beginners but not necessarily children, and already has slightly larger print than a lot of other published piano music.
It seems I started understand that the print in the book is more comfortly and practical for reading. At least eyes can read a lot in a small space, then you can read the whole fragments of the sheet.
Thanks, I got a right decision.