Rest position … what¿?
On same staves where I've pasted data, on the empty bars the rest are at the beginning of the bar. On staves where nothing has been pasted, the rest are in the middle of the bar where they should be.
Is there a global way to restore the default rest position? Please see the attached pic …
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This is the difference between a whole rest and a full measure rest, see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/measure-rests#full-measure-rest
The left aligned one is a whole rest (duration 4/4) while the centered one is a full measure rest (duration: whatever the length of the measure happens to be).
Should be as easy as selecting your empty measures and press Del, otherwise use Ctrl+Shift+Del.
See also https://musescore.org/en/handbook/measure-rests#full-measure-rest
In reply to The left aligned one is a by jeetee
I've got the difference, thanks to everyone …
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I'm guessing you are using a very very very old version of MuseScore. Back in 1.x, copying an empty measure of 4/4 would indeed yield a whole rest instead of a measure rest. This was improved along with thousands of other things years ago. Best to update to the current version, 2.1.
In reply to I'm guessing you are using a by Marc Sabatella
I'm on 2.1, MacOS Yosemite 10.10.5
In reply to I'm on 2.1, MacOS Yosemite by danworks
Hmm, is it possible the score you are working on was originally created with 1.3 or older, then? Because what you seem to be describing - full measure rests converting to whole rests on copy and paste - does not normally happen in 2.1. Can you attach your score and steps to reproduce this problem?
In reply to Hmm, is it possible the score by Marc Sabatella
I'm coming from Sibelius 7.5 and my first MuseScore version is 2.1
The step to repro are:
1- import xml
2- then open your template
3- copy and paste data (fm beginning to end) fm the xml to the template. Doesn't matter if you do one staff at time or copy n paste group of staves (strings section for example).
Latest was: on a xx number of bars score I had a choir staff that play only at the end. I've copied choir and something else and then pasted to the template. Every single bar had rest all the way left (4/4) and not in the middle (whole bar rest), even if those bars were empty.
Hope this helps
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In reply to I'm coming from Sibelius 7.5 by danworks
Can you post one of the specific XML files you are having trouble with? Could be something particular about how your version of Sibelius exports the MusicXML that is causing problems. MusicXML exported by MuseScore does not present any issues. You also mention a template, I suppose there could be a problem with that as well. Do you have the same problem pasting into the default "Untitled" score?
Anyhow, as mentioned, to restore the full measures rests, just select the range of measures containing the whole rests and press Delete - this removes the whole rests and replaces them with full measures rests.
In reply to Can you post one of the by Marc Sabatella
Every files I'm exporting in this days from MOTU Digital Performer (the DAW I'm working with since three decades) to Sibelius and then exported as xml to MuseScore.
I know the "select and delete workaround" but on decent large score it's a pita cos the empty bars are un-contiguous.
But I can survive for now ;)
In reply to Every files I'm exporting in by danworks
Well, if you'd care to attach one such file, we can investigate further and see if there is something MuseScore can do to improve the situation. but without such a file, I'm afraid there is nothing we can do.
In reply to Well, if you'd care to attach by Marc Sabatella
Hi there,
I've just noticed that the xml is exported with the rest all the way left.
Three files here to check:
1- an xml exported directly from MOTU-Digital Performer 9.12
2- same file imported and re-exported with Sibelius 7.5
3- a MuseScore 2.1 template
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In reply to Hi there, I've just noticed by danworks
Interesting, here for a change MOTU seems right in exporting measure rests (<rest measure="yes"/>, while Sibelius makes whole rests from them <rest />...<type>whole</type>). So maybe you better directly Import the MOTU XML and ignore that one error MuseScore reports for it (beam start vs. beam begin, see https://musescore.org/en/node/200846).
In reply to Interesting, here for a by Jojo-Schmitz
Hello Jojo,
cos the error I've reported (200846), I thought the good idea was to import the xml on Sibelius and then re-export it toward MuseScore. But at this point with this "rest" issue I'll follow you advice, forget about Sibelius and go directly fm DP to MS.
P.S.
Anyway if you can find a workaround to ignore the DP error, that would be great :)
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In reply to Hello Jojo, cos the error by danworks
preprocess the XML and replace beam...start with beam...begin, e.g. using awk?
Or, as I said, just ignore that error, at least until you find the imported file to have the beaming wrong
In reply to preprocess the XML and by Jojo-Schmitz
hmm … what's "awk"? Could you please clarify about it and how to do it?
FYI I'm on Mac … thanks.
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In reply to hmm … what's "awk"? Could you by danworks
Or sed. Both are UNIX Tools for text manipulations, and as maxOS is UNIX based it should have them.
Something like this (tested!):
sed -i -e 's:>start</beam>:>begin</beam>:g' "somefile.xml"Which is search for ">start</beam>" and replace inline with ">begin</beam>"
If your sed doesn't understand the -i (only GNU sed does), use
sed -e 's:>start</beam>:>begin</beam>:g' <"somefile.xml" >"somefile-fixed.xml"In reply to Or sed. Both are UNIX Tools by Jojo-Schmitz
Ehi do not expect too much, I'm just a musician ;)
In reply to Ehi do not expect too much, by danworks
Even a musician can copy and paste ;-)
In reply to Hi there, I've just noticed by danworks
So, to be clear:
DP is exporting the file correctly as far as the rests go - that is, it is using full measure rests. If you import this version of the file (and ignore the error about the thing DP is getting wrong), you get a score with full measure rests as expected, and these copy and paste and remain full measure rests (centered).
If you open the Sibelius version, you will see that they have exported the file incorrectly - they have converted the full measures rests to ordinary whole rests (left aligned). So no surprise if you copy and paste these they remain whole rests.
Which is to say, MuseScore seems to be doing exactly what it is supposed to as far as I can tell. Give it full measure rests, it will display full measure rests, and they will remain that way when you copy and paste. but give it whole rests and it will display whole rests, and they remain that way when you copy and paste.
BTW, another trick for converting for cleaning this up is to select the entire score (Ctrl+A) then Ctrl+Shift+Z. This will convert rests to full measure where possible. It's meant to be applied on individual measures in cases where a simple Delete won't work - like measures with an actual duration as per Measure Properties different from the nominal time signature. But it does seem to work on larger selections as well, and appears to leave non-empty measures alone. No guarantees on that though, so do test this before relying on it too much.