How do I delete a note or a break?

• 8 years ago

Hello, I clicked on every tab to try to figure out how to delete a note or a break and I can't seem to find it in version 0.9.3. I'm beginning to think it's not possible to do so. I'm a novice and want to delete notes and breaks. I also want to add breaks but am not seeing where I can do this. Someone please help.

Appreciate it!


There is no reason why you would want to delete a note or rest, Instead, you can replace them with what is correct, but the time must be filled with something--note or rest. If you really want to, you can make them invisible by right clicking on them and selecting "make invisible" or change the number of beats in the measure if you really want to get rid of the time value, but I'll bet all you want to do is replace one rest or note with another.
By the way, 9.3 seems to be a pretty old version. There are newer ones available that work much better.

In reply to by MDMilford

I'm inferring that the only way to make a beat completely disappear (and thus ripple the remainder of the composition to the left by one beat), is to CUT (copy) the rest of the piece, and PASTE it starting where the rest was.
In video editing and audio (waveform) editing, this mode is called ripple editing, where when something is deleted, a vacuum occurs and the rest of the clip (or track) moves to the left automatically, and similarly it's possible to insert a blank space (and shift the remainder of the selection/track to the RIGHT) to "part the Red Sea" and subsequently fill in what you wanted to insert.
In MS Excel, Insert and Insert Cut Rows will "create blank space", and Delete Row will delete and shift the remainder to fill that gap.

It sounds like ripple editing is not a capability of Muse?
(literal)Cut and paste does seem to work, but it would be convenient to have it done more intuitively/automatically with a ripple edit mode. That is a solution for shifting left, but i do not see how to insert empty space (i.e., insert beats) other than CUT the rest of the composition, and paste it in, say, 1 beat to the right.

hopefully someone can help clarify.


In reply to by musews

musews: you understood correctly. By the way "ripple editing" is not as simple as it sounds when it comes to music notation. When a note crosses a bar line it must become tied. When a note no longer crosses a bar line was it originally suppose to remain tied or not. For me it pretty rare to want to insert one beat and shift the entire score.

You can insert and delete measures at any point in the score (see measure operations in the handbook). Conceptually, this is more akin to inserting cells in MS Excel.

In reply to by David Bolton

I'd say practically unheard of to do this kind of editing as described. Normally, if you wish to remove a beat from a piece, you would do so by reducing the number of beats in that measure, but there is normally no reason in the world this should shift everything else. That;s not removing one beat; it's removing one beat *and* changing the meaning of every other beat as well. Luckily, in the rare situations where for some reason you do want every single beat moved relative to the bar lines, copy and paste allows you to do exactly that.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I respectfully disagree with the people that said: "It is practically unheard of", and "there is no reason you would need to do this".

Here's a reason: you realize after a long session of touch type note entry that back 20 measures ago, you accidentally entered two passing eighth notes (quavers) as quarter notes (crotchets), and so now your entire passage is one beat off from where it needs to be. What you want to do is replace the first quarter note with two eighths, and then delete the second one entirely, causing the music (only for that part!) to shift one beat to the left. (I found this thread because that exact thing happened to me 5 minutes ago.)

This so-called "unheard of" feature is, in fact, present in other music editing platforms. It may be a feature that MuseScore lacks---totally understandable given that it is written with volunteer labor. But it is a valid question. Copy and paste is an acceptable workaround, but this (in fact, not unheard of) feature would be quite useful.

In reply to by pconrad

I didn't say the *feature* was unheard of; indeed, it's present in pretty much all programs, MuseScore included (via copy & paste). I said that the particular situation described that made this feature necessary is practically unheard of, and your example illustrates this well. How many people do you think would ever enter 20 measures touch typing without looking at the screen? Furthermore, you're talking about error correcting only, not something that might occur in editing otherwise.

So I,m not saying the situation never comes up, or that there doesn't need to be a way to deal with it. I'm saying that as seldom as it comes up, copy and paste should be a completely adequate way of dealing with it, and any effort spent implementing any alternate solution would be effort better spent on pretty much any other feature. I mean it would save, what, two keystrokes over the existing methodof solving this rare problem? Not that I have, or should have, any particular say in this. I'm simply registering an opinion. There are at least 100 features left to implement I'd say are each 100 times more important, and I'd be disappointed if any one of them got left out because of this.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

> I said that the particular situation described that made this feature necessary is practically unheard of, and your example illustrates this well. How many people do you think would ever enter 20 measures touch typing without looking at the screen?

One way that I can see to get into that problem is to transcribe something by ear, and goof up on the length of a pickup measure.

-- J.S.

In reply to by pconrad

it right. Most of the time, you *don't* want to shift the relationship between your notes and your bar lines for a substantial part of the score. For the cases in which you *do* need to do that, copy and paste is the right answer. Making it easier to do would make it a more common and troublesome mistake. Tweaking things back to the right relationship between the two granularities would be upsetting to new users, with much of their work jumbled.

-- J.S.

In reply to by John Sprung

Btw, I'm not opposed to making this type of edit easier, and I'm also very much in favor of fixing the bugs that exist in copy and paste with respect to partial measures and/or triplets, and to improving the behavior of copy and paste with respect to markings like dynamics, lyrics, chord symbols, etc. After all, in order for me to say I think copy and paste is a viable workaround, it has to actually work reliably.

I'm even on board with the idea of the addition of a mode or facility in which adding or deleting a note or rest changes the time position of the following notes and rests *in that measure*, as this would be an occasionally useful way to fix small typos. Could be just a single keystroke, that, combined with entering or deleting a note, had the effect of moving the rest of the notes in the measure accordingly. Although I don't see this as all that high a priority, either, given that it's not that hard to retype or copy/paste just a few notes. And I am opposed to changing the default behavior, because as someone who has used both types of systems extensively, I believe MuseScore's does actually work better than Finale's overall. It's just the adjustment that is difficult at first.

And I'm saying we don't need another mode of note entry that actually affects the contents of *subsequent* measures, as that introduces an extra level complexity (eg, how to handle notes that were tied across barlines, or that will now need to be tied across barlines). Plus, I think copy and paste is *better*, in that it allows you to be explicit about how many measures are affected - surely, it wouldn't always be the entire rest of the piece.

BTW, as far as I can recall Finale doesn't do this either - only the contents of the current measure are affected by edits. Isn't that so? Not sure about Sibelius.

In reply to by MDMilford

You do need indeed...
for example in a fugue, you start with one voice and you don´t want to see all the rests of the voices that haven´t yet been exposed.
The double click and "set invisible" option works though.

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