Problems When Composing
I Sometimes have problems when I am composing music like the MIDI keyboard not interacting with note entry or most recently tuplet problems. You see I am trying to do two nocturnes by Chopin and they are Opus 9 no. 1 in B Flat Minor and Opus 9 no. 2 in E Flat Major. In The B flat minor one it has irregular measures in the right hand and regular ones in the left hand. In the E flat major one I try do do a turn with a set of 5 notes in 1/2 of a beat and when I do triplets it is fine and it shows sixteenths but when I do quintuplets it instead of showing sixteenth rests and being regular it shows 32nd rests and is irregular. If you have had problems when composing music before and have found a way to fix them then show me how you have fixed it and if I have that problem I will try your solution.
As For you Marc Sabatella I will show you what I am doing with each nocturne.
nocturne in B Flat Minor:
1) I put in the notes until it shows a slur with an eleven under it to show me that there are eleven eighth notes in these 3 beats.
2) I put in the notes in that measure and I get a rest at the end of it instead of there being no rest.
Should I put in the first 8 eighth notes regularly and then an eight note triplet or something so that there is no rest? and what about the one with the 22 eighth notes in 6 beats right after it. Should I make eighth note quadruplets for the first 5 beats and the in the sixth beat put them in as regular eighth notes or something so that 22 eighth notes can fill the whole measure without rests?
Nocturne in E flat:
1) I put in the notes till I reach the turn.
2) I get ready to put in sixteenth note quintuplets so that I can fit the whole turn in 1/2 a beat.
When I do the same steps as for sixteenth note triplets I get these 32nd note quintuplets and then when I put in the notes I see a mix of sixteenths and 32nds. What should I do to get sixteenth note quintuplets in 1/2 a beat or is it not possible? Is there any other workaround for a turn not playing in feedback because if there is then I will try it.
| Attachment | Size |
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| Nocturne in E Flat.mscz | 1.96 KB |
| Nocturne in B Flat Minor.mscz | 2.05 KB |
| Nocturnes Opus no. 9.pdf | 1.84 MB |
Comments
Which measure numbers are you talking about?
For the tuplets,
11 eighth notes in 3 beats. Beats are quarters. So 3 beats it's 6 eighth notes. So you want 11 notes in 6 notes. Enter a dotted half rest, select it and go to notes -> Tuplet -> Others and choose 11/6.
Same for the 22 tuplet. 22/12.
You could check how it's done in this file
http://musescore.com/user/19710/scores/53288
In reply to Which measure numbers are you by [DELETED] 5
No the tuplets with 11 eighth notes in 3 beats and 22 eight notes in 6 beats are in the B Flat Minor nocturne on page 2 of the pdf not the e flat one.
For the Eb nocturne, I assume you are referring to the second full measure of the piece on page 6 of the PDF (this is all information that would be very helpful, as it saves us from having to spend time searching around and guessing). I am not sure what you mean about sixteenth notes - I don't see any sixteenths in that measure. Are you perhaps trying to write out the turn so it will play back, even though it won't look good? There are lots of ways you could possibly write it out, so your first step needs to be to decide how exactly you want it to look. Write that out on a scrap of paper, scan it in, and post that, then we can talk about how you'd actually accomplish it in MuseScore.
In reply to For the Eb nocturne, I assume by Marc Sabatella
I Want it to look like a quintuplet, you know with a bracket above the notes and a 5 in the middle of the bracket. How can I make a sixteenth note quintuplet in 1/2 of a beat?
In reply to I Want it to look like a by Caters
YOu may find this video helpful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJquDsYMUq0&feature=youtu.be
I have tried the nocturne in e flat at several different tempos. It was made to be andantino but it wasn't when I set it to the original tempo. At allegro it was too fast. I tried it at moderato and it was still too fast. Then I tried andante and it was too fast also. At andantino which I have always learned is slower than andante it was closer but still too fast. I tried adagio. It was even closer but still too fast. Then I tried larghetto and it was too fast. Then I tried lento and it was for the first time too slow. Then I tried 50 BPM and Wrote largo and it was perfect. The original tempo was just too fast. Do you think so?
I can't get the upper mordents or pralls as you call them to play back. How can I work around this problem with not just this kind of mordent but all the other mordents like the prallprall or prallmordent or the upprall or downprall? How can I work around this. I need the answer soon. Could you reply maybe sometime today?
In reply to I can't get the upper by Caters
Ornaments don't playback in the current version - that support will be coming in the next major version, whenever that turns out to be,
Workaround if you really need playback of ornaments for some reason is to create the notes manually on another staff or in another voice. Or, if that sort of detail in playback is really important, export the score to MIDI and use a program that is really intended for control of playback - a MIDI sequencer - to do your fine-tuning. The playback features in MuseScore are really just to give you a basic idea of what your piece sounds like.
I think that musescore 2.0 should include 128th and 256th notes because some classical music includes them such as one of Mozart's pieces. And what if somebody comes across a piece of music with those types of notes and can't do it in their version of musescore because it only goes to 64th notes.
In reply to I think that musescore 2.0 by Caters
128th will be available in MuseScore 2.0
In reply to 128th will be available in by [DELETED] 5
What about 256th notes. Will they be available too?
In reply to What about 256th notes. Will by Caters
No.
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Why not I mean some peices of music have 256th notes and It should be avalible in the next version of musescore
I am having trouble converting the tenor clef in the bassoon in symphony no. 40 by mozart to bass clef because it shows a note in the same position as g sharp in the treble clef. would that be f of what?
In reply to I am having trouble by Caters
Could you post the score you are having trouble with and describe step by step what you are trying to do (which buttons you are pressing, etc), what you expect to see happen, and what happens instead?
In reply to Could you post the score by Marc Sabatella
Okay I open the symphony no 40 pdf. Then I scroll to where the tenor clef is which is like on page 1 or 2 of the bassoon you know where in italian is says fagotto. that means bassoon. Then I convert the first interval in the tenor clef successfully. Then in the second interval there is this note that is in the same position as g sharp in the second octave in the treble clef and I don't know if that is F or what note it is. Can you help me translate tenor clef to bass clef please. I have successfully translated treble clef to alto clef for the viola but that is a completely different story.
In reply to Could you post the score by Marc Sabatella
Okay I open the pdf for symphony no 40. Then I scroll to where the tenor clef is which is like on page 1 or 2 of the score maybe page 3 where you see the bass clef at the beggining under 4 staves that say oboi, clarinetti in B flat, Flauto, Oboi. There it says Fagotto which means bassoon. I see a note in the second interval in the tenor clef that is in the same position as g sharp in the second octave in the treble clef. Is that F in the first octave or F# or what. Can you please help me translate this tenor clef to bass clef so I don't have to add another clef and figure out what that note is? and I can't attach the pdf because it is more than 2 megabytes but here is the score that I am working on.
In reply to Okay I open the pdf for by Caters
I'm still having trouble understanding your question. Its it possible it has nothing whatsoever to do with MuseScore, but is simply a matter of your not knowing how to read tenor clef? The tenor clef, alto clef, and other C clefs are very easy: whatever line goes through the center of the clef, that's middle C. S simply count up or down from there. i don't know what "second interval" means in this context, but the tenor clef has middle C as the second line from the top. So the space above that is D, the top line is E, the space above the staff is F, etc. And key signatures work exact like thy do for any other clef. I the key sognature has F# in it, then any F's you see are F# unless preceded by a natural, etc.
In reply to Okay I open the pdf for by Caters
Any Bassoon (Fagotto) player would expect to see these notes in Tenor clef. It is used to save on a ridiculous number of ledger lines.
Bassoon and 'Cello ranges go up into the Alto range, so consequently they learn to read in Bas, Tenor and Alto clefs.
Once you lock on to the fact that middle C is right in the middle of the K it should be no problem, apart from straining your brain a little at first.
In reply to I am having trouble by Caters
In Tenor Clef middle C is fixed as line 4 of the stave so you need to transpose everything from treble clef up four lines.
ie a middle C in Tenor clef looks like a soprano D in treble clef
So lines in Tenor Clef are DFACE spaces EGBD
HTH
Michael
I still have this error message that I told you about before. I can get it to enter notes but after either a few or a lot of notes it gives me this error message. It only seems to do it for the piano. Sometimes it gets stuck on notes but I don't mind it as much as this freaking error message. CAN YOU GET IT TO STOP PLEASE?
In reply to I still have this error by Caters
Omce more - its is virtually impossible to help unless you post the score and describe the *exact* steps (every single click and button push) to reproduce the problem. In this ase, also, at least five the text of the error message! Also, each prolem report should be in a separate thread with a meaningful title, to make it easy to find later.