Note hides behind others in chord
1. Open attached score (produced in 1.3).
2. Click on note.
3. Move it Up/Down to the direction of another note.
Desired result: The note moves to the other side of the stem.
Actual result: The note hides behind the other.
Discussion: The desired result could save from having to go into Inspector and changing 'Mirror Head':
However, I wanted to know opinions before possibly submitting this to the tracker, if it doesn't already exist.
Using MuseScore 2.0 Nightly Build (64ff9de) - Mac 10.7.5.
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I'd say it depends entirely on *why* you'd be putting two of the same note on the same stem. That should be extremely rare. And of the very few cases where you'd want to do this, I'd guess about half the time you want to see both noteheads - in which case sure, having an automatic mirror helps - and the other half of the time you would be wanting them hidden, in which case MuseScore would just be doing something unnecessarily you'd have to undo.
I found three examples:
Backing vocals (I'm assuming the same note was sung twice):
![Backing Vocals.png]( "Backing Vocals.png")
Drums:
![Drums.png]( "Drums.png")
Guitar (I don't know if it's multi-voice?):
![Guitar 1.png]( "Guitar 1.png")
![Guitar 2.png]( "Guitar 2.png")
Comparing the first chords in each image, I wonder why the B noteheads are aligned differently. Is it for the sake of the tie, perhaps?
In reply to I found three by chen lung
Yes, that's three examples where you want them mirrored. What I am saying is it is probably just easy to find examples where you don't.
Just replying to your first post:
I would say that hiding it just seems to be incorrect behaviour by the program and doesn't serve anyone, so it would make sense to utilise the mirroring function - now, you know for what purpose :). Incidentally, I don't think it's that rare ;).
I had reservations also because there might be problems in instances of multi-voice, so I was wanted to ask others who have more experience.
I'm curious - is 'mirror' the correct term? Just because of the drum example, in which different note heads are used. Maybe I'm taking it too literally :)?
In reply to Just replying to your first by chen lung
There really cannot be any debate that this is rare by any objective measure, if we are talking about situations where it happens in a single voice. In multivoice settings, it is of course totally commonplace, but the rules there are reasonably clear, I think. So yes, we need to make that distinction. Edit: but I think I do now agree that mirroring by default makes more sense for the single voice case.
In reply to There really cannon be any by Marc Sabatella
Okay.
There could also perhaps be a 'swap' function that exchanges notes on the same vertical position.
Can you think of instances in which multi-voice could pose a problem?
How does MusicXML handle mirrored notes?
In reply to Okay. There could also by chen lung
I don't understand what the "swap" would do. What would the difference be?
Also not sure what sort of "problems" you mean for multivoice. There are rules to follow, MuseScore needs to follow them. Do you mean, cases where I think it's likely that MuseScore might currently get the rules wrong? I guess anything is possible - this has been a source of issues for a while now, I think. Unisons and seconds both. Then I guess situatins where you have both at the same time.
No idea about MusicXML.
In reply to I don't understand what the by Marc Sabatella
With swap, you could exchange notes that may have different properties (e.g. another notehead) or purposes.
After some reading, I think I'm a bit clearer on multi-voice unison and indeed adjacent notes - I'll address those soon (probably via a test suite in the issue tracker).
In reply to With swap, you could exchange by chen lung
You can already swap a notehead from one side of the stem to the other with SHIFT+X
In reply to You can already swap a by ChurchOrganist
Thanks!
I filed a feature request: #22495: Note becomes unison if placed on another note