How to deal with a2 on two parts, single stave?

• Dec 5, 2018 - 05:05

So, when writing scores, general when parts are in unison there is on one voice - voice 1 by default on MS. MS3 is supposed to support two part to a staff score writing, right? How do you deal with the unison bits? Do I write the same thing in both voices and make voice two invisible? How does it work when I generate parts?

Thank you.


I would do what you suggested. I haven't tried it, but I suspect that notes will be invisible in the parts. But if you select the section with the invisible notes in the parts, you should be able to use the inspector to make everything visible with a single click just as in version 2.

In reply to by mike320

Would it make it visible in the score again?

I keep running into this 'visible in parts, invisible in score' problem, and I'm never quite sure what the rules are about how MS updates scores from parts or vice versa.

Ideally... I think that maybe the score shouldn't take updates from parts at all. If the score changes, yes update the part, but if the part changes, no. Scores are global, parts are local.

But I don't know if that's actually the case, and I seem to vaguely remember actually writing to the score from the part in MS2.

In reply to by Laurelin

In general,

when you make a change to the score before you make parts, they are seen in the parts.

When you make changes to the score after you make parts, they are not seen in the parts.

There are a few obvious exceptions like adding staff text or ornaments, but in a similar manner to your questions, these can be overcome by making them invisible where you don't want to see them. Another thing that's so obvious I almost didn't mention it is adding notes, they always show in both the score and parts, but can be silenced and/or made invisible in one, but not the other.

In reply to by Laurelin

You asked this before, but perhps you missed my answer. It's simple in principle - change to content are linked (like the actual text of a tempo marking, the actual pitch of a note), changes to presentation ((manual positioning, visibility, etc) are not. It's not always 100% black and white, but this is the starting point.

And no, most people would not want the score to not update if you fix a note in the part!

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thanks! The not updating the score if you add a note in the part fixes every cue issue ever. And if you can fix a note in the score and have it fixed in the part, then that's fine. It's just that invisible cue notes lead to unhiding staves, so if you didn't have cue notes in the score at all, that'd be fixed.

There's other ways to do it, though. I'm not married to any one solution, lol.

In reply to by Laurelin

Again, in general (not talking about cues) you certainly want to be able to edit your part by adding a note or whatever and have that same fix apply to the score - that is indeed is an essential aspect of parts being linked in the first place. But cues are indeed special, and we do need way of dealing with them.

I would suggest we implement special non-linked notes that can be added to measures without affecting other linked scores/parts. Or, a way of marking a measure as not linked. That would actually be easier I suspect, because there would otherwise be issues with keeping the right count of beats if some noes are linked and others not.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I can't think of a reason why unlinking a measure would be an issue. Even if you had a pick up note, it's not like you didn't very deliberately unlink the measure, and therefore should know that any actual notes need to be edited in the score. So that should work just fine. :)

And yes, in general I agree. I occasionally write scores horizontally instead of vertically for fun, and have even done this by part. It was instructive, good for practicing. And I know you aren't trying to... I don't even know the words right this instant, but I don't auto-assume the worst about people's responses. I do often look for the exception to the rule, though. I don't want them getting lost!

Actually using this feature is a lot of work. A lot of work.


Standard is for shared staves to look like one voice as long as the rhythms are the same. This makes it way less cluttered, easier to read - see the clarinet stave? Not supposed to look like that. This is a problem when you have to individually turn off the visible flag for every single seperate element of a voice. You also need to switch directions on beams, and somehow not lose those tiny little staccato dots - when beams switch directions, the punkte often end up in the beam of the other voice - near impossible to select.

And then after I export, I have undo all that work - in both parts.

This is a really pretty feature, but the amount of work required is prohibitive. As it is, it'd be easier to do two separate saves - one for making the score pretty, the other for the parts. Copy paste is pretty simple.

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In reply to by Laurelin

I never said it would be easy. It depend upon how much work you want to put into it.

The way I would have done these parts is

Press F6 for the filter
uncheck voice 2
Select the measures
Right click a beam
choose select>All similar elements in selection
press V
Repeat the right click, select>all similar... and press V for the flags.
Select all of voice 1 and press X so the stems are pointed down.
Check All in the filter so it doesn't mess me up later

I would have done this after I created parts, since the parts don't need this work.

In reply to by mike320

There are situations where the stems should be pointed in different directions (some up and some down), and this makes is more complicated. I would still use the filter selector as much as possible and ctrl+click to select items where this doesn't make sense.

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