Displaying Tuplets

• Jun 26, 2019 - 11:17

When creating tuplets of 3 or more the display shows only 2 coupled with a beam whilst the triplet is bracketed. I can't find a way to get the the beam coupling all the notes in a triplet (or more). Is this possible?


In reply to by jeetee

Thanks; It did eventually but I had several false starts! Right clicking the time signature and selecting Properties enabled me to amend the beam style of 'eighth' notes but some trial and error was needed to make the amendment. There's obviously a lot more reading to do!

In reply to by endeverpe

I still think it would be worthwhile to attach your score. Unless you are trying to notate something extremely unusual, you shouldn't need to do anything special at all to get tuplets beamed correctly. So I'm wondering if you are somehow creating the tuplet incorrectly, or otherwise missing an easier of way of accomplishing the goal.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thanks for your effort. Amending the 3/4 time signature properties, which, by default showed a series of 2 eighth notes beamed, solved my problem when all the triplets (and greater) in my score just changed to display correctly as in the attached file. Prior to this change, no beam was greater than 2 notes. Maybe this is just confined to the 3/4 time signature. It's now clear to me that this is very sophisticated software and, for the most part, fairly intuitive. The manual however is absolutely crucial for the more complex operations and I've now downloaded my own copy for future reference.

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In reply to by endeverpe

The manual however is absolutely crucial for the more complex operations
Absolutely! Keep in mind that the manual explains the mechanics of how to perform tasks, it does very little in the way of explaining how to put tasks together to do certain things or even why you might want to do something. If you ever think something is too complicated, feel free to ask for help because there's often an easier way. There are people here who have been using the program since before version 1.0.

In reply to by endeverpe

Ah, these aren't tuplets, but are in fact ordinary eighth notes. So it's normal that they should be beamed in pairs in 3/4 time - pairs, or, in the case of a full measure of eights, all 6 together. Some beam 4+2. But beaming them in groups of three like this is not normally advisable - precisely because it fools people into thinking there are triplets when there actually are not.

The reason you are seeing this is that 3/4 is the wrong time signature here :-). The piece was originally written to be in 3/8, with those as sixteenths, and in this case, it should be seen as compound meter - all sixteenths grouped in threes, so two "big beats" of three sixteenths each. if you want to rewrite it to use eighth notes, you should write it as 6/8 rather than 3/4, because that with beam correctly by default, and more importantly, won't confuse readers who expect that 3/4 means three beats per measure hen in fact there are only two.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

This competent explanation far exceeded my current musical knowledge but I'm learning! I'm a 76 yr old geriatric retired elctronics engineer who decided to learn to play the piano 3 years ago! I plagiarised the score from an old tatty piano tutor so the style and time signature are not my own. The other reason for the project was to learn how to use the software and to display the score on my Yamaha T4 screen (which also defaulted to displaying the beams in twos)! Learning more about tuplets/triplets and beams has been a bonus and I'm very grateful. I shall now make the changes to 6/8 as you suggest and see the effect and increase my musical knowledge of time signatures at the same time. I can't help worrying that we're drifting off topic here and I'm happy to close this thread if considered wise. Once again, thanks for your help.

In reply to by endeverpe

If you really want to see the original idea of the score, look at https://imslp.org/wiki/F%C3%BCr_Elise%2C_WoO_59_(Beethoven%2C_Ludwig_va…. #103834 is an old version that shows it as described by Marc. IMSLP is free and has hundreds of thousands of published scores for everything from recorders to symphonies including the majority of what both Beethoven and Mozart wrote. The only thing you won't find are songs still under copyright.

If the above doesn't answer your question, please attach your score and describe what you are trying to do in more detail, so we can understand and assist better.

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