complex polyrhythm (7:5)
I am writing a snare drum solo in Musescore 3.0.3, and i need a way to notate 7 notes in the space of 5 8th notes. I'm having trouble finding the feature in the program.
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Unfortunately, for tuplets in cases like these, where 5 8th notes can't be condensed into a single rest, Musescore gets a bit convoluted. What you'll want to do is create a new measure of 5/8, select the "whole note" of rest in the measure, and press ctrl + 7. This will create your 7-let. You can copy this tuplet and paste it into wherever it needs to be in context of the music. If you mean you want one hand playing 7 while the other plays 5, you can make the 7-let voice two, and enter five eighth notes in voice one.
In reply to Unfortunately, for tuplets… by osubuki02
In the requested feature, you could conceivably select a group of rests, say, five eighth notes, until a box forms around them as usual. Then click Add > Tuplets > Septuplet. The thing is to add that capability to the selection routine. Git er done!
In reply to In the requested feature,… by [DELETED] 29378932
That would be again a workaround.
What is really needed is a direct way to specify a "free" length when creating tuplets, or at minimum a free fraction such as 5/8 in this case.
In reply to That would be again a… by frfancha
That's not a workaround since the capability I described does not exist in Musescore. It would be a new feature.
In reply to Unfortunately, for tuplets… by osubuki02
osubuki02, thank you for this great workaround!! much appreciated. Rock on.
Hello, as an example quintuplets in 7/4: https://musescore.com/user/57635814/scores/12375370
It gets quite busy though, especially in the bridge section.
In reply to Hello, as an example… by caindoherty
These are quintuplets with 5 in the duration of 1 beat. Much easier than 7 in the duration of 5.
Also, why not just notate it as 5/4 or 5/8? I certainly counted it my head that way.
Also, also, this is an old thread and there is a Plugin to deal with some of the more complex tuplets:
https://musescore.org/en/project/advanced-tuplets
In reply to These are quintuplets with 5… by underquark
Oh, the tuplet plugin will be nice - wasn't aware of it. Thanks for the pointer!
As for the reason for choosing to notate in 7/4 instead of 5/4 in the example, it's as you say easier for 5 in duration of 1 beat, rather than 7.
The drums begin by playing in 5, which I suppose is what you focus on when counting. However, the bass and cello are playing the 7. This forms the polyrhythm for the 1st verse. Is it recognizable?
For the bridge section (see bar 15), the bass plays 5 with the drums, but the cello is in 7. It's a different 5:7 polyrhythm than the verse.
In reply to Oh, the tuplet plugin will… by caindoherty
Why so much ink and so many lines, though? Surely the object of engraving is to give the musician a score that they can read with the maximum chance of reproducing what you want to hear and the minimum chance of making mistakes? With quintuplets + syncope my old brain gets confused. My bass-player brain certainly appreciates the simpler version I have outlined in the section I have changed to 7/8. It might break the mental pattern you have in your head of the piece but it sounds the same and there's less math involved.
In reply to Why so much ink and so many… by underquark
Wow! This is much more elegant, easier to read and avoids tuplets.
Instead of the polyrhythm being within 1 bar, it's spread over 5 bars.
Thanks for sharing this!
In reply to Wow! This is much more… by caindoherty
Thank you. I was worried in case I had not understood your intent properly because I tend to look for simpler solutions and might have missed a deeper meaning of the rhythm. I am glad it works.