# Page filling

• Aug 24, 2019 - 16:31

So I have this problem and i can't figure out how to fix it. The number of systems is not the same on all the pages and it looks pretty awful. How can I get an equal number of systems on my pages, like 2 per page?

That's a very vague question with a large number of possibilities to fix the problems. Shoichi correctly pointed you to some options but there are also others. Attaching your score would make it easier for someone to look at it and fix it, then tell you what they did so you can learn for the future.

Not exactly :)
approx.: * 1.414

The odd-numbered (1, 3, 5) or even-numbered (0, 2, 4) paper sizes are twice the size of each other.
eg:
A2 = 2 x A4
A1 = 2 x A3

However, the difference between sequentially numbered papers sizes (A0, A1, A2,) is approximately 1.4142. (Because we're enlarge or reduce the paper by rotating it between the short and long edges)

//enlarge
from A4 (210 x 297 mm) to A3 (297 x 420 mm)
Make the long edge the new short edge. (297)
Multiply the short edge by two and make a new long edge. 210 * 2 = (420)

//reduce
from A3 (297 x 420 mm) to A4 (210 x 297 mm):
Divide the long edge by two and make a new short edge. 420 * 2 = (210)
Make the short edge to new long edge: (297)

PS: The correct sequence is to starting from A0 to A1 then A1 to A2 etc. Otherwise, a deviation of 1 or 2 mm will occur. But this is an acceptable standard deviation.

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

If my maths isn't failing, this does mean that A3 = 2 x A4 though;
namely A3 = 297 x 420 = 297 x 2 x 210 (because 420 = 2 x 210)
so A3 = 297 x 210 x 2 = (279 x 210) x 2 = (A4) x 2
which means A3 = 2 x A4

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

The client in that case likely means (c), but I'd ask them to clarify because language isn't maths.

My printer driver goes the math way as well; if I ask it to fit 2 pages on a single page (thus halving the size of a single page) it'll auto-rotate an A4, scale it to an A5 and then put those two A5 pages back onto an A4.

So the question isn't/wasn't, print this image twice as large; but rather, print this image twice on a single piece of paper, without changing the size of the image.

I have been working part-time at a publishing/printing house for many years.
And I know how the calculation should be.
That's why I am correcting the information written here.

I'm talking about "metric dimensioning of a drawing" instead of "surface area calculation"*1

Example: What is the paper size required to enlarge a 1cm drawing to 2cm?

let me quote from a website :

"If requiring to enlarge an image it is usually necessary to move up two paper sizes to keep the aspect ratio (i.e. double the size of each edge) otherwise there will be a large border and the image will only be approximately half as big. Similarly, if printing a scaled drawing to a different paper size it is necessary to move two paper sizes to preserve a recognizable scale (i.e. A drawing designed at 1:100 at A3 is 1:50 at A1)" https://www.ezeeplan.co.uk/how-to/paper-sizes

*1 : surface area calculation ( <= some printer/ink manufacturers and some printing houses loves this. However, the end user is not interested in how many milliliters of ink is required on 1m2 of paper.)
In some ink cartridge advertisements, you see "4000/6000 pages with 5% page coverage". No; this is not what actually happens. :/

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

Indeed, if you want the content of a page twice as big you need to quadruple the paper size. Going from one A size to the next indeed is an incease of sqrt(2) for the content (which also is the height/width ratio on A formats). The paper itself though is twice as big.

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

If you want to ensure consistency, you must say "enlarge linearly by a factor of 2" or "enlarge areally...". No-one does, which is why things go wrong. It's always amusing to look at a graphic drawn by an arty type to illustrate something being "twice the size" of something else; may be double on any dimensional basis from 1 to 2. But you are basically wrong about paper: if someone says "A piece of paper twice the size", they always (well, almost) mean "twice the area, allowing twice the amount of writing".

I don't understand the whole discussion.
I design my score, export as PDF and in the printer propperties of the PDF-program i can define paper size and numbers per page.

In reply to by Mr Fox

If you have a score written for A4 size on your computer and your pages are exactly as you like and you use the PDF "Scale to fit" option to print the score on A3 paper, you will get an extra margin. Depending on your need, this may or may not be a problem because the proportions on A3 paper are different than on A4. As someone who uses American paper sizes, I know that using this option to print a letter sized page to legal or tabloid size would leave HUGE margins and would rarely be acceptable. I pointed out this possibility because I wasn't aware of the way paper sizes are calculated in the rest of the world and it seems the user should be aware of this if they decide to use this option.