Tied Chord bug

• Oct 20, 2019 - 21:06

Problem: When I try to add a second note (dotted half duration) to a note which is on the 3rd beat of a 3/4 time signature (in other words the note when clicked to create using the mouse entry method becomes automatically converted to a quarter note with a tie to a half note in the following bar it just replaces the existing note with a new note and will not allow me to create a chord or bitone with a note of the same dotted half duration. According to the online handbook pdf it should be possible to click and create a chord but this only works if the duration does not match the duration of the first note entered otherwise it will replace the first note with the newly entered note. Under staves the instrument is listed as an "Acoustic Guitar" and "staff 1" is a "Treble Clef 8va bassa standard" measure with a linked "staff 2" a "Tabulature tab 6-string common" measure. Is there a technique which will allow the entry of a chord with a tie on all notes in the chord in the aforementioned scenario thanks for any help and you can reach me at rodgaskins@msn.com thanks ;)

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Seems the method which converts the note to add the tie is taking place before the method which allows the entry of multiple notes to create a chord and due to the tie method the chord entry method is skipped and results in a method of existing note replacement with current entry if that makes sense ;)

It's not really clear what you are asking - attaching your score would help a lot. You cant put a dotted half on beat 3 or a 3/4 bar, so I'm not getting what you want at all. But if the goal is to add another quarter note to the same chord, then tie it to a half in the next measure, you can add the notes first then add the tie. Or just add the full chord before anything else, then add the tie, which will automatically create the second chord and tie everything.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I'll try your suggestions. Score added, try to make an Asus2 chord from the tie on the root note it will not work ;)

Also I was reading from the online handbook in which the method reads:
It's easy to enter notes with the mouse, but it is not the fastest way to enter lots of notes.

Click on the desired note duration symbol in the Note input toolbar.
Click on the score to add a pitch of the selected duration.
To add more notes to an existing chord, simply repeat step 2.
To replace an existing chord (rather than adding to it), press Shift before clicking.
To add a rest, right-click.
Note: If you hover the cursor over the score in Note Input Mode it will show you a preview of the note or rest you are about to add.
here is a link to the page: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/note-input

In reply to by mike320

3 beats per measure and the quarter note gets 1 beat (time sig 3/4) and yes I want a 3 beat chord which starts on the 3rd beat of the measure so it would start on the last beat of a measure and continue 2 beats into the next and I am attempting your suggestion I was trying to clearly describe what was happening so sorry for the rather laborious descriptions but the score presents the issue can you make the chord in the second measure at the third measure based off the A2 root of the Asus2 chord present in the second measure. Oh and thanks for all the prompt feedback it's awesome ;)

In reply to by mike320

Ok so I did what you said and it's worked by creating the chord in both measures and then using ctr+lmouse to highlight notes and then using the + to add each tie. Just guess I thought if I used the mouse entry method in Real-Time mode I could just set the duration and click to add notes of the cord. Thanks for the suggestions I'm still a noob and the methods of entering notes I am still learning ;)

In reply to by Rod Gaskins

I forget people use the mouse for note input. It's not intended as an insult so don't be offended. To enter the chord on beat 3, enter a 1 beat chord, then change the duration to a 1/2 note and press either + on the keyboard. This is easier than trying to add ties after the notes are entered. By the way, you can tie all notes in a chord to the next notes of the same pitch by clicking the stem and adding a tie.

I started by using the mouse a few years ago. As I learned how to do things on the keyboard, I used the mouse less. I now mostly use the mouse to move the page or the cursor more than to the next note or measure. The keyboard is so much faster than the mouse, it's worth learning how to use it.

Real-time modes only work with midi devices.

In reply to by Rod Gaskins

Indeed, the expected way to enter a tied chord is to first enter the chord, then press or click "+". Not enter one note and its tie first, then go back and add more notes. But for the record, you can make that work, just add the new note as a quarter note then press Alt++ which si the shortcut for "Add tied note to chord".

For mouse entry... let's call it 'click building' a chord.
For computer keyboard entry it's more like 'note building' a chord - because the actual note (letter) names must be typed in.

Using the mouse, you 'click build' a 1 beat chord (i.e., stacked quarter notes) on the last beat of the measure. Then...
Upon 'click building' the final note of the chord you should still be in note entry mode.
Since you want a half note duration for the following chord, click on the half note duration in the toolbar and then press +.
Result: a half note chord tied to the first.

In reply to by Jm6stringer

Thanks for the info again I did get it to work according to the advice in the post although I'm pretty sure according to the manual online the program was to designed to operate by as you call it "click build"ing or as the manual calls it "mouse entry" although I understand keyboard entry is a practical and efficient and possibly the most efficient mode of entry the mouse entry of a dotted half note on the third beat of a 3/4 time sig measure should enter a single note automatically converting the note clicked on to a quarter note on the third beat with a tie to a half note on the first beat of the next bar and should another click of the same duration on the same beat and bar should continue to build a chord and it doesn't it replaces the previous note entered by the click therefore the reason I considered it a bug. Again thanks for the workarounds but I'm sure the functionality should exist as I have expected and also as the manual seems to indicate as an intention of the program design. I love the program btw and the fact it is available so no worries the world is full of little bugs ;)

In reply to by Rod Gaskins

FWIW, it makes sense that this is seen as a bug by some.

While [Note-Entry] selects the next slot after a note is entered, the previous note maintains selection. This allows for the user to press SHIFT+[Note]/[Mouse click] and build a chord. Fact is, when a tie occurs, that tied last note gets selected rather than the first note that starts the tie, and because of this, chord building will begin on that selected note after the tie, which is not desirable to some of us. Yet, it makes sense what's happening.

And, as with the mentioned scenario of the OP, even if a [half+dot] is selected to be added to a chord/note which is tied across a measure, it won't tie a [half+dot duration] through a tie but instead only emplace a half-note. Why? Because apparently MuseScore doesn't "see" that the note selected is in fact, to the user's perspective, a [dotted half] which is represented by a [tied half+quarter] spanning a measure. Instead, MS sees it as a naked half-note, and so only half notes get "added" to it while chord building. And then as was mentioned, tying doesn't "add" to the next note's chordal structure but replaces it entirely.

This could be be re-evaluated for further development (they were earlier talking about note-entry improvements right?). For now though, the workarounds from the user's perspective must be understood as to how the program works and it is appropriate to know how best to achieve the desired results for efficiency's sake and lack of frustration ;)

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