Jazz Turns
I'm trying to write a big band chart, and i really need a turn from the trombone section, but the only turns are classical style "S" looking turns that sit above the note. It'd be cool to all the jazz composers and arrangers to be able to have the upside down "V" looking turn that links two notes together and create authentic looking charts
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I think I can picture the type of symbol you mean, probably the best way to get it is draw one yourself, san it, and paste it in as a graphic. You can then add it to your palette for future use. We use the standard SMuFL definition for music fonts, and I don't think it includes such a character.
I believe this is what you are looking for?
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This actually exists in Musescore... sort of.
What I mean is that the symbol actually exist in the Master Palette, but it is only available in Bravura.
![Screen Shot 2019-11-02 at 7.22.19 PM.png]( "Screen Shot 2019-11-02 at 7.22.19 PM.png")
This really doesn't look the same at all compared to how it should be represented stylistically in a proper jazz font.
Since this behavior already exists in Musescore, and the Master Palette does have the ability to toggle through different fonts (see below) it seems that it would not be difficult to implement and could likely be done with little or no new development (assuming that the change font behavior works properly in the Master Palette... no way to tell as all symbols default to Bravura).
![Screen Shot 2019-11-02 at 7.25.44 PM.png]( "Screen Shot 2019-11-02 at 7.25.44 PM.png")
To the point, it seems that the Musejazz notation font simply needs to be updated to support a wider range of articulations, which can be available in the palette.
This issue actually gets me thinking that there could be very clear benefit to developing a Musejazz extension similar to Musescore Drumline. It would customize the workspace for jazz writing and have an extended set of templates for jazz ensembles.
Hmm... I actually think I am going to work on this. :-)
In reply to I believe this is what you… by Daniel
An extension for jazz isn't a bad idea, but something basic like this should really just be added to the font without needing an extension.
In reply to An extension for jazz isn't… by Marc Sabatella
This was a custom font that was created prior to acquisition. There are no extended SMuFL characters.
I can make an internal request to see if we can get budget to extend these to support at least a minimum set of jazz articulations.
In reply to This was a custom font that… by Daniel
Budget is nice of course, but I don't see why it should be necessary - anyone should be able to add glyphs to the font just as they can contribute to any other part of the code.
In reply to Budget is nice of course,… by Marc Sabatella
I don't believe this is the approach we would like to take for fonts and soundfonts, as there should be as much consistency as possible.
I will take this on and see if this can be extended at some point soon.
In reply to I don't believe this is the… by Daniel
I don't understand - consistency with what? I'd like the symbol available to all users, not only those who install an optional extension. So to me, that is more consistent. I am not understanding your concern at all. What makes MsueJazz different in your eyes from any other part of the MuseScore code base?
In reply to I don't understand -… by Marc Sabatella
Musejazz was commissioned by a professional music font designer. I believe additions to this would be most consistent if added by the same designer.
In reply to Musejazz was commissioned by… by Daniel
Ok, that does make sense. But whether the work is done by That designer or someone else, I’d still expect it made available to all users by default. An extension is a fine place for additional rent fonts, new soundfonts, new templates etc, but we should have different versions of a basic preinstalled font for different users.
In reply to Ok, that does make sense. … by Marc Sabatella
I would imagine any additions to Musejazz would be included in same font by default.
Extension would include additional soundfonts, templates, etc.
In reply to I would imagine any… by Daniel
Good to hear ;-)
In reply to I don't understand -… by Marc Sabatella
I know this post is almost a year old... but I'm not seeing a "jazz turn" symbol amongst all the other musescore symbols, so I'm guessing it's still not a thing?
In reply to I know this post is almost a… by delahlin
I would second this, the "flip" dude that's there doesn't really look more right to me than just using the classical "turn"
In reply to I would second this, the … by chrismcqueenmusic
As far as I know, this symbol is not part of the SMuFL standard for music fonts. So the first step in seeing it in MuseScore would be to get the folks in charge to that standard to add it.
Meanwhile, the workaround of adding this as a graphic exists, same as for any other non-SMuFL-standard symbol.
In reply to As far as I know, this… by Marc Sabatella
Ah gotcha, thanks!
Hi! A little late, but if it's still relevant here's how I do it:
I go into master palette, symbols and then Brass techniques.
I choose two different symbols and combine them as in the picture.
It's the closest I can get anyway.
Hope it helps :)
In reply to Hi! A little late, but if it… by Jeppe805
Thanks! Combining 2 symbols here really solved it. I still hope they will include a single symbol for it in future releases.
In reply to Thanks! Combining 2 symbols… by kempsmj
You may wish to address your request to the people in charge of the SMuFL standard, then - they are the people who define the symbols used in music fonts. Do a web search on that term to find more information. Once it is in SMuFL, it will be available to MuseScore automatically.
In reply to You may wish to address your… by Marc Sabatella
Is there something else that needs to happen? From the version history, it looks like Jazz turns were added to SMuFL in Version 0.5 (2013-07-08):
https://w3c.github.io/smufl/releases/1.4/preamble/version-history.html
In reply to Is there something else that… by andyfugate
Then these symbols can be added already from the Symbols palette (press "Z" to display)
In reply to Then these symbols can be… by Marc Sabatella
Hmm. They say they added it... and indeed they added something... but it doesn't LOOK like a jazz turn, at least from my experience. Probably best to draw your own and import it at this point.
In reply to Hmm. They say they added it… by screech57
Please see https://musescore.org/en/node/330346#comment-1120105 (towards the end) for a possible solution...
In reply to Hmm. They say they added it… by screech57
Looks like that's the Bravura font. Try switching to one of the jazz ones.
In reply to Looks like that's the… by Marc Sabatella
It doesn't appear that there's any difference. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong?
In reply to It doesn't appear that there… by screech57
Ah, that's the turn, I thought maybe you meant the flip since that's really what the original discussion was showing. Looks like the turn symbol was updated only a year ago but MuseScore hasn't been updated since. Probably MsueScore 4 will have more recent versions of these symbols.