Timpani hairpins not working

• Mar 12, 2020 - 00:24

Crescendo hairpins are not working on timpani rolls. I have not done anything using the inspector to adjust them. the dynamics change when the tremolos are used on other instruments, but not on timpani. I'm not sure what other instruments this affects.

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My guess is that it only works for instruments that support single note dynamics, and normally percussion instruments don't. You could try checking the "use single note dynamics" box in the Staff Properties for the staff, but that will work only if the soundfont you are using does in fact support it.

And instrument that is struck or plucked won't support single note dynamics by design of that instrument.
So it basically is all winds (human voice, woodwind and brass) and all bowed, but not others, with a few exceptions (like eletronic pianos, synthesizers)

In reply to by Jm6stringer

In that case,
1. How did you have the non hidden staff not sound?
2. Is there design behind using cresc. instead of a air pin?

Not so much an obsession. I write for orchestra with lots of percussion roll swells. That and the general awkwardness of the drum palette (I use the mouse) lead me to leave out percussion if playback is important for what I'm working on.

In reply to by bobjp

  1. The tremolos (on the non hidden staff) are made silent in the Inspector.
    See: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/inspector#note
    and look for 'Play'.

  2. I used 'cresc.' because, as a mandolin player, tremolo crescendos are often left to the discretion of the performer. The 'cresc.' text, - without dynamic markings - seems (to me) less formal.
    Since the crescendos are actually sounded by the hidden staff, there I used hairpins with (formal and precise) dynamic markings - strictly for playback.
    Either can serve the same function though.

In reply to by Jm6stringer

I thought I looked in the inspector. Guess I missed it.
I would think that in an ensemble situation you would want the more "formal" marking. Not sure you get off the hook as a mandolin player :-) That's something the banjo player would try and pull.

In reply to by bobjp

In an "ensemble situation" you are correct that a more "formal" marking is appropriate.
Indeed, the word "ensemble" itself connotes refinement and sophistication.


Things tend to get less formal (and more raggedy) during, say, an 'Open Mic Night' at the local tavern, especially after cobbling together a few of the typical "coffee house musicians" into a "non-ensemble" - who then follow chord changes scribbled onto a cocktail napkin. ;-)

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