print preview

• Jul 8, 2020 - 13:27

Can't there be a "print preview"? I don't understand why it's not there next to "print" like on any other software I have used to create printed output.


In reply to by Mark L. Huffman

If you explain what you mean by "verifiably false"? In general, the page view is indeed the same as what other software might call a print preview. if you have a particular score where you are finding a difference, that might be a bug, so we'd need you to attach the score where you are seeing a difference and explain the difference you are seeing in order to understand and assist better.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Marc, thanks so much for the inquiry. I apologize for my delay in replying; I overlooked the email notification until today. I'm not sure it's so much a bug, as the differences are minor and one familiar with WYSIWYG displays would expect them not to be included in the printout. The two that were immediately apparent to me were that some text boxes (but not all) continued to have a dotted line defining their (otherwise invisible) borders and that notes outside an instrument's range display as chartreuse but print as black. While I expected the printout to not include the dotted border and the notes to be black, I have a lot of computer experience and expected the printout I got, which was wonderful but was certainly NOT what was on my screen. I'm not immediately aware of other similar discrepancies, but I have hardly used the full panoply of tools available and would expect more exist (again, not as errors or bugs per se but which might give concern to someone unfamiliar with WYSIWYG formatting). P.S.: I moved to Musescore from other composition software and am absolutely thrilled with it. Thanks so much for all your work!

In reply to by Mark L. Huffman

You can turn off the display of frames etc via the View menu, and you can also define keyboard shortcuts for this. So in just a couple of keystrokes, all that is gone. You can also turn off the highlighting off out of range notes via Edit / Preferences / Note Input, although there is not a keyboard shortcut possibility for that.

In reply to by Dylan Nicholson1

I would assume it could be used for that, indeed. At one time it was proposed to make this something part of a workspace, so switching workspaces would have the same effect. but it was deemed more important to keep these as score properties.

Anyhow, no reason a preview feature couldn't be added someday, my point was simply to address the motion that there was some significant difference. Compared to how it is with most programs that do have the need for a feature, there is barely any difference at all, so it seems kind of a shame to have a whole separate mode just for those couple of small difference, especially since "preview" implies "can't edit". I'd much prefer just a single toggle for visibility of all non-printing elements but keep everything in the exactly same page view it is already in, with all the same commands active, etc.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I absolutely agree, and I knew that I could change those settings to make my screen more like the ultimate print job. But all of this misses my initial points. Musescore, used with its default settings, does not display a score exactly as it would print. Mr. Schmitz's terse comment that it does, was wrong and off-putting. It helps none of us, as a community of artists, to engender or allow to be engendered an atmosphere that is other than fully supportive of each other. It doesn't help, it doesn't teach, it doesn't add to civil discourse, and when I see it, I will always come to the aid of the victim. I may not be a trade unionist, but when they come for them, I will stand in their defense, lest when they come for me, there be no one to stand in mine. Thanks, again, for your responsiveness, your excellent work in creating this product, and your willingness to move the conversation forward in such a dignified manner and tone.

Second that this is a critical feature. At a minimum I expect it would:
a) hide all palettes/toolbars/panels irrelevant to previewing appearance to maximize useful screen real estate
b) make the score read-only (currently it's far too easy to accidentally modify the score while trying to navigate around it with the mouse)
c) by default zoom out to show the height of a whole page
d) provide readily accessible controls for navigation (think of a 100-page score in several movements etc., e.g. "previous page" and "next page" buttons, easy ability to jump to a particular page/measure/etc.).

Whether it would make sense to facilitate playback from preview mode I'm not sure, personally I would treat them differently but not all users work the same way.

In reply to by Dylan Nicholson1

The Navigator shows a read-only preview (thumbnail), displays the full height of page(s), and its scale is adjustable by dragging the border separating it from the score.

Small scaling, less Navigator detail:


Larger scaling, more Navigator detail:

In both images, the blue box represents the area that is currently visible in the score area. Score edits are made in the score area. Also, playback functions.

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