Random extra ledger lines

• Sep 5, 2020 - 21:48

I noticed when placing notes I randomly get extra ledger lines. Further down the score there are no extra ledger lines on the same F note. So it seems like a random glitch. It is not a big deal, to me, but if you wanna fix it, it would be nice. This is on the latest nightly 3.5 version. However, I also have seen it on the stable 3.5 version. Don't know how to reproduce it. It seems very random.
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My guess would be that this isn't an F, but a visually displaced A.
If you were to share the actual score file, we can confirm that guess.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Ok, but the question still stands. Musescore allows visually displaced notes? I checked what note the "F" was sounding and it was sounding an "A". I deleted it and reentered it and now it is fine. Now I know that this is a glitch with Musescore that I will have to be cognizant of.

In reply to by odelphi231

Yes, MuseScore allows you to double-click and drag notes out of position - up, down, left, or right. It also allows you to use the Inspector to achieve the same effect. Without the actual score we can't confirm, but almost certainly you accidentally did one or the other. Hmm, or double-click followed by arrow keys, that also does the job. It's not a glitch, it's a feature, you don't have to use it if you don't want but it is occasionally useful.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Occasionally useful for a treble clef to SOUND middle C where B4 is? Drag right and left (Yes), up and down ( I don't see it). Educate me on the musical usefulness of this feature. I love to learn new things that maybe I can incorporate into my music. I am not talking noteheads. I know you can adjust the position of noteheads on the stem. I am talking the whole note element (head, stem, beam).

In reply to by odelphi231

Harmonics that are notated as one pitch but sound another, experimental musical notations that involve notes not centered on a line/space, notes that hover or above the staff to indicate a desired rhythm, a way of creating particular ossia notations, those are just some of them.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thanks. That is what I thought. Weird, avante-garde music. Nothing wrong with that. I am glad Musescore allows notation of any kind of music you want. I have seen notation of notes above the staff to indicate rhythm, but the notes are on the same line/space of the sound. So I still don't get it. Anywho, I am glad Musescore is that versatile to allow that kind of notation. Why not.
As for the harmonics, isn't this the same as 8va lines. With 8va lines, it indicates the note will play an octave higher (or lower) than noted. Similarly, I thought that is how you notated harmonics. My guess is wrong though.
So with harmonics you put a note on C7 (for instance), double-click, move the note to C4 and it will keep the sound on C7. Sounds like a lot of work than just putting a "harmonics" element (like the 8va lines) on a C4 note that will make it sound like C7. For me, ( I guess I am a visual person) I would want my harmonic to be notated on C7 (if there is no harmonics element), so I know when I read the score, rather than notated on C4, and you have to know that it sounds like C7.

In reply to by odelphi231

Strings often notatate harmonics like this:

Harmonics example.png

Without going into detail, the sound is around an octave higher than the solid note. I've normally used invisible voice 3 notes to make the sounding pitch, moving the diamond note down is a much better way I'll use in the future.

In reply to by odelphi231

Harmonics are not weird or avant-garde, they've been used by string players for centuries. Similar, most of the other devices I mentioned - ossia, specifying rhythms above/below the staff, etc - are also perfectly traditional. And no, what I'm talking about with rhythms above/below the staff is not normally notated using actual pitches. It's true some avant-garde music might also happen to borrow these centuries-old traditions, or might also create new notations. Experiment new notations are also used in traditional music, BTW.

Harmonics are not always 8va - only one harmonic is. Others are a 12th above, or a 15th, etc. And in any case, even for the ones that are at the octave, using 8va lines that's just not they are notated. They are notated by placing a notehead at the position where you finger the note, but they will sound an octave or 12th or whatever higher. 8va lines mean something completely different - they mean to literally play the note an octave higher.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thank you. The reason I said, "As for harmonics" is because I know harmonics are part of traditional music. Paganini used them a lot. That is why I had a separate paragraph for that. When I said Avant-garde, I was referring to when you said notes hovering above the staff or notating not on the line or space.
I guess I haven't seen enough ossia notations. The one's I have seen, the notes are notated on the pitch they want to sound. Ossia's are more like a show and tell - showing an alternate way of playing a passage. Anyway, I appreciate your explanation. You know a lot more about music than me.
As a feature request, I wish you could shut off the double-click on a note because I don't double-click on a note on purpose. I only do it by accident - my mouse click acts too fast.

In reply to by odelphi231

Most OS"s and mouse drivers allow you to set the double-click speed, that's not really something MuseScore has any control over. So the feature exists - in the OS / driver, where it belongs.

Ossia take a number of different forms, they don't always involve a separate staff. Sometimes they are just disembodied noteheads, for example. And the rhythmic notation I mention is all over jazz and pop music, it's not the least bit avant-garde. And those were just a few examples of things that the feature could be used for; it's limited only by your imagination.

The overall point here is, double-click and arrow is how you move things in MuseScore. Doesn't matter if we're talking about notes or other elements (a few need only a single click, though), doesn't matter if if its up, down, left, or right. It makes no sense to put in a special feature just to disable one or two directions for one type of element only. As mentioned, if you find you double-click accidentally, just change your OS settings.

In reply to by odelphi231

Again, yes MuseScore allows you to show notes on a different position than their pitch without altering the pitch. This is required in some notation methods and requires either the inspector to explicitly change the visual position only, or double clicking the notehead to put it into edit mode and then be able to drag it with the mouse.
That Edit mode allows changing visuals only and is activated by double click is by design and true for many elements, including noteheads.

In reply to by jeetee

> Jeetee wrote: MuseScore allows you to show [visually displaced] notes ... without altering the pitch. This is required in some notation methods and requires either the inspector to explicitly change the visual position only, or double clicking the notehead to put it into edit mode and then be able to drag it with the mouse.

Wow. Yes, this is the essence of scordatura!

I'm going to look into this further as soon as possible. UPDATE: I've started a new exploration of scordatura's purpose and viable methods for creating scordatura in MuseScore

I've only been using MuseScore for three weeks and keep stumbling upon wonderful features like this.

Thanks for the informative discussion.

scorster

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