Caesura extends prior notes instead of silence
Playback issue: In version 3.6.2 a caesura (or a pause/breath) positioned at the end of a measure correctly causes a silence for the specified duration. Positioned in the middle of a measure, the caesura/pause causes the immediately prior note(s) to extend their duration for the length of the caesura/pause.
Any workaround/fix?
Comments
Change the Caesura's "Pause" value in Inspector?
I can't reproduce it though, for me a mid-measure caesura pauses the same as an end-measure caesura
You haven't added a sample score.
Let me make a guess:
a) Another instrument (or staff) in the same position may have a longer duration note. While one instrument is waiting for the caesura, the other instrument continue the note that is currently playing.
b) There should be no tied notes on either side of the caesura.
In reply to You haven't added a sample… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Thanks all for the various suggestions to date. None of the conditions described in the suggestions apply to the score, that is, no instruments with longer duration notes, no adjacent ties or slurs. The difference is simply that some caesuras are at the end of a measure (which works); some are in the middle (in which case the immediately preceding note (for each instrument) is continued through the length of the caesuras.
I'm looking at a score belonging to another; I've asked for permission to post.
Again, thanks for any suggestions. Jim
In reply to Thanks all for the various… by hickenj
Can you reproduce it in a score from scratch?
Can't you just that that score and delete all prior and later measures and share that?
In reply to Can you reproduce it in a… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks again for the suggestions. Limited testing on a score of mine does not reproduce the issue. Copying the measures to a new score fixes the issue. I could find no obvious general settings which might fix things. So far the issue appears specific to the score.
I will follow up with the score "owner" to see if he is willing to share all or part of the score.
In reply to Thanks again for the… by hickenj
I'm attaching the file. Measures 4 and 67 seem OK (I note that 67 is mid-measure, so my initial description of the issue was off). Measures 19, 44, 58 and 75 have the issue I noted. Thanks for any suggestions. I Can't Get Started quintet v5 rec'd 4-18-21.mscz
In reply to I'm attaching the file. … by hickenj
Opps. Make that measure 20, not 19.
In reply to I'm attaching the file. … by hickenj
Somehow, you or someone (with a plug-in or manually) changed the "Len/Off Time" values of the some notes.
If we look at the "Len (Off Time)" values of the notes (one by one) with the "BSG articulation" plugin we can see that they are set to: //Measure=20/Notes=just before Caesura:
Trumpet: 1240
Flute: 1190
Alto v3: 1240
Bari v4:1240
Bass v5: 1240
In this case, values higher than "1000" fall into the Caesura-affected area. // I assume that the "On Time" values is "0".
So it's normal for the software to be interpreted/played as if the position after Caesura contains a tied note.
In reply to Somehow, you or someone … by Ziya Mete Demircan
I'll pass this along to the score creator. Any advice on how to change these values back to normal manually? I do not have the BSG articulation plug-in, and I doubt he does to.
For example, the description of the problem suggests that the offending measures could be recreated in another score and pasted into the subject score.
Thanks very much to all for your efforts and insight.
In reply to I'll pass this along to the… by hickenj
The Piano Roll Editor would be the clumsier way to do the adjustment, and if the person who created the score doesn't have the plugin, then probably that's how he did it to begin with. But I'd definitely recommend downloading and installing the plugin, it really simplifies life.
Meanwhile, if it's just a few notes, the easy fix is just delete those notes and re-enter them, no need to mess with separate scores or copy & paste.
In reply to The Piano Roll Editor would… by Marc Sabatella
Just tried re-entering the notes and also my idea of copy and paste from another score to the problem score. Neither worked.
Any other suggestions? From anyone?
In reply to Just tried re-entering the… by hickenj
quick and dirty fix: The "Off Time" values of all notes in the attached piece are 1000 now. This action changed all the custom "off time" settings made inside.
You can fix the problematic parts in your copy with the plugin mentioned above.
In reply to quick and dirty fix: The … by Ziya Mete Demircan
Thank you for the help. Much appreciated.
In reply to Just tried re-entering the… by hickenj
Which notes did you try rentering? You'd have to get them all. If you do, there is no way it can't work. But it could be easy to miss one.
In reply to Which notes did you try… by Marc Sabatella
All of them for one measure. Thanks for the comment. Another poster changed the off-values for us, so the issue has gone away. BTW, the copy paste started with a blank file for the sample measure, so none were missed.
In reply to All of them for one measure… by hickenj
I see now, my mistake, I should have looked at the chart - it's the swing playback that introduced the offsets. So indeed, if you re-enter them with swing still enabled, it will do the same thing again. If you turn swing off for that measure, even just for that beat, it works. Or just use the piano roll editor as mentioned,