Hidden tablature numbers paste unhidden

• May 18, 2021 - 23:40

Please see attached score:

Pasted hidden tablature becomes visible.mscz



I'm not sure it's a good idea to use linked staves in these use cases.
As you notice, many elements are duplicated, text, dynamics, articulations, lines, crescendos/decrescendos etc.
And it is particularly tedious to try to hide everything, as you did, even if the "all similar elements" selection function can help.
To avoid this, it is more relevant, in my opinion, to use unlinked staves. And when all the desired elements (text, lines etc.) have been added in the first staff, just go to the Selection Filter (F6) to exclude these elements from the selection. All that remains is to copy and paste into the TAB staff, and everything will happen as expected (including the particular case you raise. And if you really want to keep your way, it is trivial to hide the fret again in the TAB staff)
In short, MuseScore offers you the possibility to use linked or unlinked staves. Depending on the use case, it is better to choose the first or the second option.

In reply to by cadiz1

Hi Cadiz1,

All true. And I always appreciate your input. However my point is that tablature numbers are somehow in separate category from all the other items (in the attached score) which paste with their visibility property intact.

In contrast, tablature numbers always lose their "hidden" property when pasted ... at least, that's what I've observed so far. So I'm wondering if this is by design. And if so, for what purpose?


In reply to by scorster

"In contrast, tablature numbers always lose their "hidden" property when pasted"

I had understood well. I don't think it's by design (at least, I don't remember this when implementing Tablature, for version 2, many years behind us now!)
Maybe a corner use case that wasn't covered. Also note that if you copy and paste by selecting both standard and TAB staves, the result is that both notes/number frets are hidden. As if the hide function had priority (I don't know if that's the right word)
But what could be the point of hiding fret numbers if you use linked staves? Again, linked staves have many advantages, but also disadvantages. It's up to you to make the right choice depending on what a particular score requires. With practice and experience, you will come to make the best choice.

In reply to by cadiz1

Glad to hear your thoughts on this, Cadiz1!

First, my copy/paste technique was to select the treble clef and paste to the treble clef. I hadn't tested copying the tablature and pasting to the tablature staff. Will do.

Second, the reason I hide tablature frets is to achieve TOB (Temporal Onset Beaming.)

Creating TOB notation for guitar repertoire is laborious, indeed, but it makes reading music far simpler for guitarists who understand that they must interpret durations. (Despite the best efforts of scripts, durations are rarely precisely expressed even when guitar notation is written in three or four voices. And going further creates notation that is difficult to write, and even more difficult to read. But then, you know this!)

The attached example score shows what is required in Musescore—and most other apps—to write TOB rhythms. We must create duplicate notes in the bass, and one of those must be hidden in the tablature. And that's why I hide tablature fret numbers. As show in the attached score:

TOB and Visibility of tablature numbers on paste.mscz


In reply to by scorster

This is shared notes. Well, it seems, for some reason, that you have also hidden, in the Standard staff, the D and F in voice 2, quarter notes (it can be seen, after disabling "Show invisible" in menu View) - image below.
So it doesn't matter if you copy and paste from the standard staff or from the TAB: the bass notes will be hidden in the TAB.
But not if the same D/F notes in the standard staff remained visible (which is expected, in this case, there is no reason to hide these standard notes as far as I can understand, since they have the same notehead).


In reply to by cadiz1

Good eye!

All quite interesting. And I have no idea how the notes of the standard clef became hidden. I just did a test to see, in one of the measures in this score, if hiding a tablature note hides the corresponding note in the standard staff. Best I can tell. It does not.


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