Support for 'bis' - play twice
I frequently encounter the term 'bis' in traditional music scores - the attached is an example and is played as
Bars: 1-2, 1-2, 3-6, 1-2, 1-2, 3-6
I've tried using DS, segno and other repeats and jumps but I cant reproduce the 'bis'.
I would be great if the software supported 'bis'.
Anyone got any ideas of how to work around this apparent limitation?
Thanks
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No limitations if you apply the handbook correctly.
You can make the current marks invisible and insert a text (as mentioned below)
This has been requested before, (as has "play repeats on D.S.") but apparently not often enough to gain priority in the development queue. The response I received on this some years ago was that the practice was simply too obscure to merit inclusion in a notation-focused application. I can't say that I disagree. To be clear, it has always been possible to enter the instruction via system or staff text, but I don't believe playback is possible at this point.
In reply to This has been requested… by toffle
"Play Repeats' for jumps (like a D.S.) is possible with MuseScore since quite a while now.
In reply to "Play Reates' for jumps … by Jojo-Schmitz
Using segno and DS results in this playback
bars 1-2, 1-2, 3-6, 1-6
I've tried other repeat combinations without success.
'bis' is what is used traditionally in Swedish traditional music notation, and is understood by all musicians playing that genre.
In reply to Using segno and DS results… by squeezy99
Not if you tick "Play Repeats" for the D.S.
In reply to Not if you tick "Play… by Jojo-Schmitz
I tried D.S. and setting to repeat. With segno at bar 1 this is the playback sequence
1-2, 1-2, 3-6,
1-6,
1-2, 1-2, 3-6,
1-6
Which isn't correct
Ed. - I had a bar repeat on the bar 6 - if I remove this the sequence 1-,1-2, 3-6, 1-2, 1-2, 3-6 is achieved
In reply to Using segno and DS results… by squeezy99
Then, again, check the "Play repeats" for that D.S. In Inspector
In reply to "Play Reates' for jumps … by Jojo-Schmitz
"Play Repeats' for jumps (like a D.S.) is possible with MuseScore since quite a while now."
I was not aware of this. I only encountered one score which required this, and haven't thought of it since.
How frequently do you encounter this? I've never seen this in many years as a professional musician, so I'd definitely be wary of including such a non-standard notation in your own scores. MuseScore is designed to more directly only standard music notation.
But if you have some special reason to want to write this and know that everyone reading your score will understand this notation, and if you also for whatever reason need it to playback the same way, you could try simply adding the two extra bars and copying the notes into them but making them invisible, then using a negative-width horizontal frame to force the next measures to overlap the invisible ones.
In reply to How frequently do you… by Marc Sabatella
In Swedish traditional music 'bis' comes up all the time. I have a manuscript book with an historic collection of tunes open on my screen, and I'd estimate it appears about 50% of the time.
The use of 'bis' is well understood by musicians playing Swedish traditional music.
In reply to In Swedish traditional this… by squeezy99
I will take your word for it. The solution I gave should work for this particular use case.
In reply to I will take your for it. … by Marc Sabatella
It will work for printouts, but of course doesn't work for playback.
That will be fine for my practice purposes.
In reply to It will work for printouts,… by squeezy99
It works for playback too, no additional measures needed, see sample below (and Shoichi's too)
In reply to It works for playback too by Jojo-Schmitz
Well, your method works if you don't mind using a different notation to get that effect. Mine was more about keeping the same notation. I do prefer yours personally, because as I said, I am not a fan of the original notation :-)
In reply to It will work for printouts,… by squeezy99
No, the whole point of what I described is to make it work for playback. If you don't need playback, you don't need any of what I suggested, just add the "bis" text or line and be done with it.
The attached does play Bars: 1-2, 1-2, 3-6, 1-2, 1-2, 3-6 and your notes from that image
In reply to The attached does play Bars:… by Jojo-Schmitz
Many thanks - this does indeed work for playback
In reply to Many thanks - this does… by squeezy99
It works just as well with a DC rather than a DS and you can then delete the segno.
In reply to It works just as well with a… by SteveBlower
Very true. I just used that as it was mentioned in the initial post
Thanks everyone for your help and contributions