Leger line with no note
Is is possible to have a leger line visible if there is no note attached? In the screen shot, I have a low D. I need to position a very unusual baroque ornament in the spot normally occupied by the D, with the line visible. If I attach the ornament to the d one octave above and then make the low D invisible, the leger line disappears.
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Comments
Maybe you could exploit the bug from #98171: Unexpected visible/invisible ledger lines depending on visible/invisible notes
In reply to Mane you could exploit the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Interesting, thanks! I tried this but no matter what I did the ledger lines disappeared.
In reply to Mane you could exploit the… by Jojo-Schmitz
To me it was never a bug but rather something that is occasionally quite useful, as this thread suggests. But the number of cases where the ledger line should also be hidden is probably greater than the number where it shouldn't, and there are workaround to get the other behavior no matter which is the default. In this case, instead of making the note invisible, make it white, and set the stacking order below that of everything else (e.g., 0).
Maybe add a quaver in the second voice, make its stem and flag invisible and then alter the X & Y values in Inspector to hide the notehead under another note.
In reply to Maybe add a quaver in the… by underquark
That's a very clever workaround! For some reason when I move the 'fake' note up, the ledger line disappears too. I'll play around some more with your sample score and see if I can figure out why mine doesn't work.
Can you attach an image of this ornament?
In reply to Can you attach an image of… by Jm6stringer
See below. It has the same shape as the guidons commonly used in 18th c. French publications to indicate the first note on the following system, but that is not how it's used here (John Jones, Lessons for the Harpsichord, London 1764). It may indicate an optional lower octave, but no one knows for sure. (And it's not really an ornament . . . probably.)
Another dirty trick. [Ctrl] l to insert lyrics, press F2 and select a suitable line from "Common Symbols".
In reply to Another dirty trick. [Ctrl]… by underquark
Thank you!! That seems to be the best option so far.
BTW, where did you get that trill symbol with the long right leg? I found one with an even longer leg in "Other Baroque ornaments" but I can't find the one you used.
In reply to Thank you!! That seems to… by redux02
Musical Symbols, "Medieval and Renaissance miscellany"
No invisible extra notes in this trick:
1. Use "fix to line" to bring the note visually downwards and have the ledger lines created
2. Use Chord Y-offset to move the note back to its original position
3. Attach your symbol (filter the master palette on "mensural" to find it)
Downsides: fix to line removes the display of any accidentals on your note.
Alternative visual only method: (3rd measure)
First attach a 2 staff line symbol to the note. Then attach the ornament to the staff line symbol
In reply to No invisible extra notes in… by jeetee
More great suggestions! I like your alternative method because in one instance the symbol is attached to a c# (although I could work around that issue, I think).