convert PDF - linked fret marks
THX for help todate. I have successfully a converted pdf and gotten pitches, note durations, measure breaks, and page breaks where I want them.
Now am trying to add linked TAB staff for guitar. It works but most fret marks are octave too high and on wrong string. How can I move ALL frets, say, one octave lower, or measure by measure. I can't them one-at-a-time, way-way too many.
If I try transpose (by octave) it move treb-staff also.
See attachment, page 3, meas# 1. Even if I drag fret mark to correct string, it is still octave too high. But again, I cannot do each and every fret mark.
Suggestions for mass moves please.
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Musescore appropriately expects guitar notation on an 8vb staff. So to correct your score
1) at the start of Measure 1 change the clef to treble 8vb
This will cause a temporary situation where notation is "an octave too high" on the staff; and the tablature numbers also go an octave.
2) select all
3) move the notation an octave lower (Control/Command down-arrow)
One other point ...
Recently I've encountered strange artifact where the tablature staff shows the 8vb clef. And that was the situation after I revised your score. Previously I tried to find a way to changed that clef to TAB without bizarre results—the secret is to select the 8vb clef on the tablature staff and press delete. I don't know what that does, but the 8vb clef goes away and we see the TAB staff.
Tuttle_all_1 Fixed.mscz
scorster
In reply to Musescore appropriately… by scorster
THX, but...
1) Cannot figure out how to change "clef type." It does not show in a) inspector, b) in staff properties. AND the is no 8vb clef in palettes panel. Adding brand new not linked staff of acoustic guitar via I key still gives 8va bass clef.
3) CTRL+dwn-arrow on TAB staff linked to exist 8va clef Moves some (not all) fret marks down a string or so, BUT fret # increases to keep orig pitch. In example I attached, page 3, measure#1 one wants Gstring,0:Bstring,3:Estring,3 for a "plain ole" G chord.
Somehow G on clef staff is being interpretted as fret 3, E string, rather than open G string.
There's got to be some other setting I am missing somewhere.
In reply to THX, but... 1) Cannot figure… by dpenny
*1) Cannot figure out how to change "clef type." It does not show in a) inspector, b) in staff properties. AND the is no 8vb clef in palettes panel.
The Palette has a Clefs section. The 8vb treble cleft is in that section
I I thin maybe the following was 2)
Adding brand new not linked staff of acoustic guitar via I key still gives 8va bass clef.
Yes. Adding guitar tablature is a strange set of steps.
1) before adding tablature to a staff you have to make sure its Instrument is set. So in this case set it to classical guitar or acoustic guitar.
2) press i
3) select Staff: 1 (indented beneath the Instrument). The to generate a linked staff press the Add Linked Staff button.
4)
While staff:2 is selected change the Linked Staff Type to
• Tab 6-str simple (if you want no rhythms)
• Tab 6-str common (if you want rhythms showing)
• Tab 6-str common (if you want rhythms and rests showing)
When the result looks like the following press Okay.
I don't understand the problem you're describing in 3)
scorster
In reply to *1) Cannot figure out how to… by scorster
I cannot find any 8vb clef in ver 3.6.2. Plse see my new image of all clefs available.
![musescore-image-clefs2.jpg]( "musescore-image-clefs2.jpg")
HOWEVER sort of solved
1) I created new score w linked staff. did not pay any attention to instrument type. added a linked staff, view of TAB.
2) copied meas from my pdf converted score, pasted into new score.
3) then did an octave shift in staff part properties. CAME OUT FINE.
BTW - the up/down buttons in staff part properties are reversed, up means down, and down means up. I will put in bug report.
In reply to I cannot find any 8vb clef… by dpenny
Sorry for any confusion!
8vb is an abbreviation for 8va bassa.
I forgot that Musescore doesn't use the abbreviation in its Clefs palette.
In reply to Musescore appropriately… by scorster
I just did demo to show problem. ver 2.0.2 works, ver 3.6.2 works (both on from scratch scores), BUT on converted pdf linked TAB staff is octave off, also wrong string.
what to do?
![musescore-image-linked note1.jpg]( "musescore-image-linked note1.jpg")
![musescore-image-linked note2.jpg]( "musescore-image-linked note2.jpg")
![musescore-image-linked note3.jpg]( "musescore-image-linked note3.jpg")
In reply to I just did demo to show… by dpenny
You can't convert a PDF to MuseScore. You can use a program to interpret the PDF and, as far as I am aware, this is done by Audiveris. Audiveris "reads" the score and assigns pitches and MusedScore displays those pitches as notation. It's then up to you to change the octave or clef if it doesn't suit.
In reply to I just did demo to show… by dpenny
regarding the "BAD example" from converted PDF
Check your tablature staff's tuning table, which Musescore calls String Data.
Go to: Staff/Part properties>Edit String Data
The values should be as shown below. Sounds like your String Data values may be off by an octave.
An easy alternate way to rectify:
• File>New>Guitar+Tablature
• Make sure the meter matches that of your Imported PDF score
• Copy the measures from that score
• Paste it into your new document.
• If necessary correct the octave of the notation
scorster
In reply to regarding the "BAD example"… by scorster
I did verify that the "string data" was EXACTLY the same as in my ver 2.0.2.
AND
if I create some notes from scratch in ver 3.6.2 and link staffs, it behaves EXACTLY as expected.
It is only the pdf convert that is WEIRD.
In reply to I did verify that the … by dpenny
Not sure where your 2.0.2 version factors into all this.
And it's unclear if you checked to see if the String Data of the imported PDF matches the String Data I posted?
The Middle C setting can complicate matters. In sequencers and notation software Middle C is usually set to C4 or C3.
I understand that MuseScore currently uses Scientific notation by default, so "Middle C = C4.
The following shows the scenario relative to a normal treble clef.
scorster
In reply to I just did demo to show… by dpenny
Depending on the quality of the original. the pdf conversion software may have "read" the 8vb treble clef as an ordinary clef.
![clefs.png]( "clefs.png")
Compared to the "OK" image, your "BAD" image shows no clef:
In reply to Depending on the quality of… by Jm6stringer
"bad" image above was snipped from middle of a staff line.
In reply to "bad" image above was… by dpenny
Yes, but what clef was displayed at the beginning of that staff?
In reply to Yes, but what clef was… by Jm6stringer
Right. If the notation is on a normal treble clef staff, then the tablature is displaying correctly.
In reply to Right. If the notation is on… by scorster
Bingo!
Depending on the legibility of the original, a pdf converter may have missed the little '8' (if it was even there at all).
In reply to Bingo! Depending on the… by Jm6stringer
a pdf converter may have missed the little '8' (if it was even there at all).
Good point. In guitar notation often the "little 8" is omitted by convention, and it is simply understood that the notation staff is 8vb. Whether it is shown or not, guitar is written as on the an 8vb trebel clef. Otherwise you'd have to tune each string an octave higher.
And it's worth noting that if you want the little 8 to show in Overture and Encore:
a) simply change the treble clef to 8vb
b) then if starting with an Overture Guitar score, remove compensatory "down one octave" playback transposition that Overture puts on it Guitar tracks (which allows them to be written on a normal treble clef and sound correct.)
c) then you have to lower tablature track's "string data" an octave. This is because Overture sets the string data (tuning table) an octave too high in order to have the tablature fret numbers come out right relative to a regular treble clef.
In reply to a pdf converter may have… by scorster
And lots of time, in guitar music, the "little 8" is omitted by convention, and it is simply understood that the staff is 8vb.
Yes indeed...
In MuseScore, when the "little 8" was changed to the default clef for guitar there was much forum discussion from guitarists who wanted to "get rid of the little 8".
So...
As a concession, under the All Instruments dialog, there exist guitars -- with a parenthetical (Treble Clef) following the name listing.
Observe the clefs here:
Guitar_treble_clefs.mscz
P.S.: Still, bass guitar doesn't use "little 8" under the bass clef, yet sounds an octave lower. (Check for transposition in Staff/Part Properties.)
In reply to And lots of time, in guitar… by Jm6stringer
In MuseScore, when the "little 8" was changed to the default clef for guitar there was much forum discussion from guitarists who wanted to "get rid of the little 8".
So...
As a concession, under the All Instruments dialog, there exist guitars -- with a parenthetical (Treble Clef) following the name listing.
I'm always surprised that developers go through conniptions like changing the tablature staff String Data (tuning table) rather than simply adding a property toggle visibility of the little 8.
See the String Data in attached score, which is a revision of the score submitted by jm6stringer:
Guitar_Treble_Clefs and String Data.mscz
In reply to And lots of time, in guitar… by Jm6stringer
I guess there is lots of history that I am "tripping across" right now.
In reply to a pdf converter may have… by scorster
THX for response. It is a bit beyond me. I never ever heard of different types/kinds of clefs except for "regular" and "bass."
And I've never had any Musescore prob with linked TAB staff <> clef staff except on this pdf convert I've been trying to work with in order to "save" effort.
HA - should have followed Marc suggestion (~1 week ago) when he said, "enter it from scratch."
In reply to THX for response. It is a… by dpenny
:-) I didn';t follow this entire conversation, but to clarify something:
The note that sounds like G on the second line of the regular treble staff (G4) is higher than the high string of the guitar, and is indeed played in the third fret. That's because the guitar normally sounds an octave lower than written. So the note that sounds like G4 is actually written as G5 - sitting on top of staff.
When you see G4 written for guitar, it actually sounds like G3 - the open "G" string on the guitar.
There are two different ways a score can deal with this. one is to use the treble-8 clef. The other is to use the ordinary treble clef, but set the staff's transposition to octave down (in Staff/Part Properties). Most likely your PDF program didn't know about this and just gave you normal treble clef. And hence, it is probably already playing back too high. So simply transpose it all down an octave (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Down). Then either change the clef to treble-8 or set the transposition.
In reply to :-) I didn';t follow this… by Marc Sabatella
THX Marc - this makes sense to me now after
1) after all the replies
2) after all the mistakes I made
3) and learning about the different types of clefs.
In reply to Musescore appropriately… by scorster
I happened to glance at the score I edited and attached above. Somehow I forgot to shift all the notes down an octave. You probably figured that out, but here it is:
Tuttle_all_1 Fixed.mscz
scorster
In reply to I happened to glance at the… by scorster
Thanks to you and others who have helped to better understand both 1) pdf conversions, and 2) Musescore abilities.
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