Chord Identifier (Pop & Jazz) doesn't cross notes
When I use the Chord Identifier (pop/jazz) plugin, the chord name causes the measure to expand so that - in the first example - the eighth notes in the bass appear unevenly. When I simply enter a chord, as in the second example, this does not happen. In both the inspector (shown) and the chord symbols appearance window, I don't see any difference between the two. What do I need to change in order for the chord symbol to stretch across notes?
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here's the musescore file
In reply to here's the musescore file by bbruck1
It seems to me that for some reason the logic to allow the chord symbol overflow the next notes only kicks in when explicitly not entering chord symbols on them.
What I mean is that I see the same stretching behavior if I enter a chord symbol manually on that place as well. But as soon as I "space" over the other beats, that's when the layout updates to allow the chord symbol to occupy that horizontal space as well.
So you can "fix" that measure by going into chord entry mode and simply spacebar to the next symbol.
In reply to here's the musescore file by bbruck1
I think the plugin is creating empty chord symbols on every note. That's a bug in the plugin. You can verify this by using the Inspector to set a frame around one chord symbol, then hitting the "Set as style" button ("S" icon). All these empty chord symbols are preventing the normal layout from working. You'll need to delete them. Going to edit mode on a chord symbol then pressing and holding Space to quickly run through the score does the job in theory, although for me it also crashes sometimes.
In reply to I think the plugin is… by Marc Sabatella
That's right: This plugin writes an empty chord symbol on the next note if the same chord symbol comes in a row. More precisely, it replaces the chord symbol that it had previously put there in its internal calculation, but had not yet written into the score, with an empty string.
Since the plugin was developed later by different people (I was the developer of the previous version), it was based on the existing code. Since changing the logic here would be like rewriting the plugin, it is obvious that this easy way chosen from the very beginning causes some problems in the later stages.
In reply to I think the plugin is… by Marc Sabatella
Good guess.. If that's the case, fixing up the plugin should be fairly straightforward (but first, sleep and weekend and things!)
In reply to I think the plugin is… by Marc Sabatella
Thank you Marc. I guess this would be a bug report, but for me going to edit mode on a chord symbol then pressing Space crashes the program 100% of the time the second time I press Space.
In reply to Thank you Marc. I guess this… by bbruck1
I proposed a code fix to the plugin creator at https://github.com/animikatamon/MuseScorePlugins/pull/1
In reply to I proposed a code fix to the… by jeetee
Adapted and applied to the previous version (which is linked to my account). https://musescore.org/en/project/chord-identifier-special-v3
Workaround: Select all chord symbols; Untick "Automatic Placement" from the Inspector.
Because your chord symbols are set to larger size than normal, you may need to use a "System break" (for example: every 4 measures).
In reply to Workaround: Select all chord… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Thank you Ziya. My chord symbols are larger than normal, but given that in the example I posted I have eighth notes in the bass it will cause a problem even with the normal size chord symbols.
I appreciate your suggestion, I've used the system break every four measures successfully to work around the problem.
In reply to Thank you Ziya. My chord… by bbruck1
Because chord symbols are large, they overflow into the next measure in some short measures and overlap with other chord symbols; I wrote the relevant paragraph accordingly. // I noticed it while testing the workaround I suggested.
In reply to Because chord symbols are… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Ah thanks.
My "finished product" is often a pdf that has a musescore-created score for the intro, break, and/or outro, and then a songbook-created chord sheet for the remainder of the song, mashed together into one pdf, and played using forScore. The chords in the score help me break away from sight reading and move into improvisation as I try and translate old childhood classical piano skills to actually playing music.
If I don't make the chords big, red, and bold I get thrown off as my eyes search for the chord. See attached break for Wildfire...
It's hell to get old.
Really appreciate everyone's patience and help!