Second voice notes need to extend beyond end of measure
I often come across situations where a pattern of notes in a piano part is carried for several measures and the notes for the second voice start on a half beat or on odd beat and the final note for this voice in a measure is too long to fit. In the attached example from a Chopin polonaise, the quarter note in the second voice falls on beat 1.5, 2.5 and 3.5. Thus Musescore only allows an eighth note in this situation (end of measure). From a cosmetic point of view I can make the note tail invisible and it looks correct. From a practical point of view, I couldn't hear the difference in playback anyway. But from a point of view of being able to accommodate this and similar situations, is there anyway to make Musescore continue a note duration across the end of a measure? The only way I can see to make this work is to merge all measures where the pattern exists so there is no end of measure after these notes and indicate the missing end of measure markings with graphical bar lines.
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Apply Join Beams to the first note in the measure you want to join to. See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/beams
In reply to Apply Join Beams to the… by SteveBlower
Joining beams is not the issue. Musecore won't insert a quarter note if the remaining measure only has space for an eighth note.
In your image it the first voice note that needs to extend beyond end of measure, no?
Or do I miss something ?
In reply to In your image it the first… by frfancha
The only note issue is the final quarter note that only has an eight note of timing left in the measure. Musescrore won't allow this. In the other voice the beamed notes across the measure bar are normal as there is enough "room" in the measure for it's note duration.
There is an option in Format / Style / Score called "Display note values across measure boundaries" that will accomplish this, but I suspect it's more of a sledgehammer where you may want a scalpel. Which is to say, I'm not sure it will allow you to have some notes tied normally and others written in this way.
In reply to There is an option in Format… by Marc Sabatella
I tried my own advice and merged all measures with the notes indicated and not a problem. However, to get the appearance for the final note where there was a break after the remaining quarter note was not possible. So had to include notes from an additional measure that would have been immediately after a measure bar but because of the merged space were no longer the beginning of a new measure. So can duplicate some of the score but need to give up on some other formatting as a result.
How about this, extending your technique of making elements invisible:
![chopin.JPG]( "chopin.JPG")
Notate conventionally as the first line (quavers tied across the bar), it plays correctly.
Then turn off the visibility of the tails, stems and notes heads you don't want to see.
In reply to How about this, extending… by rothers
That's a creative solution. Perhaps could hide the tie across the measure bar as well if it allows that. I assume visibility does not affect playback. So if i combine measures as I noted elsewhere then only the last note before the pattern change would need this fix and all looks and plays correctly. I will try this too.
In reply to That's a creative solution. … by msokol
Sorry. Just an observation from the peanut gallery. Remember, just because you see it in print, doesn't mean it is proper notation. Or that it is playable. The Music ed major in me thinks this is pretty nonsensical. It also looks like pretty old notation. But pay no attention to me. Move along:)