First and second voice notes playing the same thing but the second voiced note goes first
This is kind of rare but in Tchaikovsky's Souvenir de Florence, multiple times there is the first voiced note and second voiced note playing the same thing but the second voiced note is shown with a separate notehead in front of the first instead of the first voiced note and second voiced note sharing one notehead.
Watch this until 21 sec. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM7EQz-vl4s
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Do you mean the grace note? This is no second voice but an ornament in the first voice.
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/grace-notes
In reply to Do you mean the grace notes?… by Mr Fox
I know, the wording is a bit weird but at the 21 sec mark, go to the left until you reach the 1st bar on that screen, move right 4 more bars then look at 1st violin, if you still don't know, look at the notes in circled
Are you asking how to use multiple voices to note this? See the Handbook section of that name in the Basics chapter.
In reply to Are you asking how to use… by Marc Sabatella
As Marc says, you need to use voices. The pitches are the same, with the two notes to be played as a double stop. The first voice is an open first E string (indicated by the fingering “o” above it) while the second voice plays the same pitch on the second (A) string. It’s easy to do and adds extra emphasis. Using two note heads is the clearest way of indicating this.
Edited to add that that I have played the violin for 40 years and that there is nothing strange about this notation.
In reply to As Marc says, you need to… by Brer Fox
I don't play the violin, I just want to make songs for Musescore. So which handbook do I use, and lately I've been learning about imploding and exploding, are those handy in this situation?
In reply to I don't play the violin, I… by watermouth007
Or is that a harmonic marking? Probably not. Hard to tell. Since you can't get this to playback either way, I can't but wonder at the value of even trying. Just use a single note.
What? That's not what the composer wrote, you say. Consider that he would probable die all over again if he knew his music was being performed by a lifeless computer.
In reply to I don't play the violin, I… by watermouth007
The Handbook to use is the MuseScore one, of course - see the Help menu within MuseScore, or the Support menu ion the top of this site.
Imploding and exploding are more about situations where you are combining entire parts, not just single notes that are double-stops as your example appears to show.
In reply to I don't play the violin, I… by watermouth007
OP - look at my picture. OK, then you need to ask a violin player or a conductor and preferably show them a clearer picture of the score. Do those little 'o' s above the note indicate an open E string with the other E played on the A string, for instance? If so, then you need to use two voices to write it. Whether the two notes are played simultaneously or with a slight stagger is down to the interpretation of the player or conductor.
In reply to OK, then you need to ask a… by underquark
Yes - see my post above. The two notes are played simultaneously just like all the other double stops in the passage.
Experienced violinist here :)
In reply to Yes - see my post above. The… by Brer Fox
Ah, yes, I see it now, sorry.
The image I posted, BTW, is from the IMSLP site and seems to correspond to the slightly blurry YouTube video.
In reply to Ah, yes, I see it now. I got… by underquark
Is this right?
If not, edit and send it back/tell me what's wrong.
This is not an unusual situation. If you check in the violin part is actually very clear as you play the e both on the e-string (a small circle above the note) and at the same time the same tone on the a-string, see snapshot below.
In reply to This is not an unusual… by TomStrand
That makes a bit more sense now but I still don't know how to notate it... Thanks for the help!
In reply to That makes a bit more sense… by watermouth007
Just add a voice 2 (see handbook https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/working-multiple-voices) with the same “E”s, then add the “o” from the fingering palette above the voice 1 notes - voice one stems will be upwards and voice 2 downwards. (If there isn’t a “o” in the fingering palette, search for it in the master symbols - https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/other-symbols)