Grace notes trilling when they shouldn't
Since trills are played back starting on the bottom note (per classical and romantic practice), for baroque arrangements I precede them with a grace note on the upper note. In MS 4.5.2, I'm finding a weird result: the playback includes a trill on the grace note, even though no trill indicated on that note. My workaround is to make the grace note so short that there's no time to hear the trill.
Nevertheless, this seems to be a bug. The attached score snippet shows the difference in playback between a 16th grace note (trill in playback where there shouldn't be one) and a 64th (no audible trill on grace note).
This is on OS: macOS 15.4, Arch.: arm64, MuseScore Studio version (64-bit): 4.5.2-251141402, revision: ac9d3bc
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Comments
Try it with the acciaccatura instead.
In reply to Try it with the acciaccatura… by bobjp
Thanks for the suggestion! With the acciaccatura, the trill begins on the main note, as it should, and not on the accacciatura. But an accacciatura is unaccented, and musically what I want is an appoggiatura - which trills incorrectly. This surely seems to be a bug, which is my main point. It's something that the experts supporting MuseScore should fix.
In reply to With the acciaccatura, the… by dkaplan137
On my system the trill does start on the acciaccatura. As a test, move it up a few notes and you should be able to tell better. Putting an accent on it doesn't seem to help. But in Basic sounds you can raise the velocity of the grace note. Doesn't work with Muse sounds.
I don't think anything needs to be fixed. But perhaps a trill that starts on the upper note should be added.
In reply to On my system the trill does… by bobjp
Thanks, but I don't understand your point. No trill should ever occur in playback of a note on which no trill is notated. The behavior in MuseScore 4.5.2 is therefore incorrect and should be fixed.
I agree that adding a baroque trill option might be desirable. But I would still want to add an appoggiatura in my scores so that performers know unambiguously how to play it.
In reply to Thanks, but I don't… by dkaplan137
Sorry. My point was that if you add add an acciaccatura (and raise it a note), the trill starts on the upper note. I said that if you raise the acciaccatura a few more notes, you will hear it better. You wouldn't leave it that way of course. The trill plays, but not accented the way you want. I'm not sure that using any grace note to indicate where a trill starts is quite the proper use of a grace note. A Baroque trill symbol would look different from standard trill symbols. Much like there are already different mordant, and such, symbols that indicate where they start and which direction they go.