Percy Goetschius in 2.0
I have version 2.0 for Windows now. Am just getting acquainted and may need some coaching with this newer version.
Percy Goetschius is in the public domain and texts are available at Internet Archive. I am starting to transcribe Exercises in Melody Writing in Musescore 2.0.
https://archive.org/details/exercisesinmelod00goetrich
You may want to browse this text and see if it interests you. It's only about 125 pages long. I may go slow for a while and then dig in and do it. Another option is Tone Relations, but this book I've chosen is one of Goetschius's shorter works. I suggest downloading the b&w version for easier reading.
Exercise 1 is posted as an attachment. Any suggestions on the layout? How can I hide those time signature changes?
| Attachment | Size |
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| Melody Goetschius.mscz | 3.82 KB |
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The first page is done and attached below, but I need someone to check the formatting against the text.
https://archive.org/details/exercisesinmelod00goetrich
I am using rehearsal marks for both the example numbers and example part numbers (see ex.3) and chord symbols for chords, lyric text for notation beneath the examples, and text for the degree steps. Am I going to run into any trouble down the line?
In reply to The first page is done and by Joe H
It's a pity to not do each exercices in different score, really. We could do so many cool things if they were encoding each in a different MSCZ... Also you will have to use lots of tricks to be able to encode all examples in one file. See ex 45 for example. So forget about the rehearsal marks and use one file per example.
In reply to It's a pity to not do each by [DELETED] 5
That's an idea. Thanks, Lasonic, for looking in on this. I'm only a few pages into goetschius and would rather transcribe the whole book, text and music together. I think you are right, since I tried to append a text frame but was no able to place it. If I do this as file by chapter, I should be able to transcribe the whole work. That would be cool! Got any ideas on how to proceed?
One very good thing about this Goetschius text is that the music is all on one treble staff. It's a good project for beginners. See latest attachment, please.
I think I could start a new file with a text frame, transcibe text, insert measures for the first musical example, then text frame, and repeat this process. How does that sound?
In reply to That's an idea. Thanks, by Joe H
I believe it would be a lot easier to create a single "example" per MSCZ without using Frame instead of a page per chapter using frames and section. There are many things that could be done automatically if you do it this way and not by putting several examples in one file.
For example, these samples could be included in a word processor document as images. Or as images + audio. Or even video. Or rendered on the flight by a MusicXML render. The finish product could be an interactive book where you can play the examples.
In reply to I believe it would be a lot by [DELETED] 5
I'm willing to try that. But when we have all of the examples in files, will we then be able to combine them? I would like all of the information to be together like tyhe PDF file we are transcribing.
In reply to I'm willing to try that. But by Joe H
Via the album feature, either to combine them into one MuseScore file or to print in one go with proper page numbers
In reply to I'm willing to try that. But by Joe H
Sure. Give me let's say the 5 (or more) first examples in separated MSCZ files and I show you what can be done.
In reply to Sure. Give me let's say the 5 by [DELETED] 5
Ok I quickly put the following together. It contains only the preface and up to the first example and of course, it needs some design work... But it's just to show you the potential.
http://lasconic.github.io/melody-goetschius/book.html
The code is here. https://github.com/lasconic/melody-goetschius
Adding more examples is just a matter of dropping a file in the MSCZ directory and run the convert script. Of course, book.html has to be edited further to get the text right.
In reply to Ok I quickly put the by [DELETED] 5
Nice! And yet more potential to further automate things - a preprocessor or other magic for the HTML to allow a syntax that references the MSCZ directly that is then replaced by appropriate image and audio, hyperlink to the original score, etc, maybe somehow integrate Daniel Spreadbury's "talking score" (I forget the actual term he used?).
That is more along the lines of what I want to do. I can't say when I will officially begin the Goetschius transcription, because I still have to finish the Schoenberg, and life is up in the air these days.
In reply to That is more along the lines by Joe H
And of course, the same would apply to Schoenberg if it was done with one file per sample...
In reply to And of course, the same would by [DELETED] 5
A gorgeous first, and I agree we should go for file per example with Schönberg. As should be clear from that thread, the pressing reason for not doing so was to merge files for eased conformatting (‘Select all …’) before doing whatever feasible to get what lasconic has demonstrated; but if such can be done in batch, then light is green. I have #337—47 done as separate files.
In reply to That is more along the lines by Joe H
Lasconic - I wonder how did that experiment? Did you copy and paste the text or did you type it all out? I would be able to format the text and do some transcriptions of measures. I will need another person to set up the audio players, like you have in your last post.
In reply to Lasconic - I wonder how did by Joe H
I used the text file provided on the library of congress page. It's not really accurate but it's a good help. So I started with it and fixed the first pages.
If you provide the mscz and the text, I volunteer to do the layouting, the audio player etc...
If you have a couple more samples, I'm curious to see them because the other I saw were not really optimized (using lyrics instead of text, misusing chord names etc...)
Don't know when we will get an official start on this. What about doing a scrolling video instead of the audio player? Is that possible?
In reply to Don't know when we will get by Joe H
Yes, everything is possible when we have MSCZ files. But we need the content first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxpelQI68ls
In reply to Yes, everything is possible by [DELETED] 5
I will have to proofread the text. Copy and paste is not always accurate from one format to an other. And I am not sure about how it will look with any kind of player. We might want to just include a small play button for each example? We can test a few versions of the first page.
Hey. Is anyone interested in the Goetschius books? I have been working through both the Exercises in Melody Writing and the Elementary Counterpoint. I can upload the lessons I've transcribed.