Half diminished symbols
Hello! I tried to type in zero for the half diminished symbol, but it is turning into a fully diminished symbol. I understand mi7b5 is the same thing, but the half diminished sign looks and reads very nicely. Can someone help me?
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Works fine here (and as per https://musescore.org/en/handbook/chord-symbols#chord-symbol-syntax). What version of MuseScore (and on what OS), can you share the score where it failes for you?
In reply to Works fine here (and as per by Jojo-Schmitz
Hello Mr. Schmitz.
I also can't get the half-diminished symbol to work. I enter zero (0) for the symbol, and I only get a zero to appear when I'm in the chord-writing command. I use Musescore 2.3.1. I'm using C#m7b5 for now.
Thanks for your help
Mark Watling
In reply to Hello Mr. Schmitz. I also… by watlingml
Works fine for me - the 0 turns into a half-diminished symbol when you complete entry of the chord. You're using a very old version of MsueScore, but this much at least worked even back then (much else has been fixed and improved, though, so definitely update if you want best results).
In reply to Works fine for me - the 0… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks, Marc. Works great. I just wasn't completing the command :)
In reply to Hello Mr. Schmitz. I also… by watlingml
I only get a zero to appear when I'm in the chord-writing command.
It's when you leave chord entry that the correct symbol appears. (Press Esc)
In reply to I only get a zero to appear… by Jm6stringer
Hi, running the App Image 3.3.4 I also have just a zero, also after leaving the tool.
Until today, with the older versions I always had my half dim symbol. Any help? Thanks!
In reply to Hi, running the App Image 3… by PianoTango
Which chord symbol style, Standard or Jazz? Should work on both though.
What exactly are you entering? Sample score?
In reply to Hi, running the App Image 3… by PianoTango
The 0 should only be understood as half-diminished when entered in a context where it would normally be understood as that - right after the root. Eg, C0 will convert to half-diminished, but C7text-including-a-0 will not. It's possible some previous versions had bugs where the 0 would convert in situations where it should not and that these bugs were fixed.
One special case that came up is a couple of people who wanted to notate his half-diminished chord as Cm0. That's not standard, and I think the previous bug caused that "work" but it doesn't anymore. We may eventually make a special allowance for that case if there are enough people needing it. But in any case, you can always force a half-diminished or other symbol to appear anywhere within the chord symbol using the F2 "Special Characters" palette (see the Chord Symbols section of the Musical Symbols tab).
In reply to The 0 should only be… by Marc Sabatella
Is there a straightforward way to enter the ø in just ordinary text (such as in a Text Frame)? I want to be able to use it in text for exercises in which I'm trying to give my students examples of possible chord symbols. I was able to do a workaround by copying and pasting text from Word. But, I was wondering if there's a way to accomplish this solely in MuseScore.
In reply to Is there a straightforward… by maddrecm
If you press F2 while entering text you can select the symbol. The most straight forward way would be to find the 4 digit Alt code and press alt while you type the 4 digit number on your numeric keypad if you have one.
In reply to If you press F2 while… by mike320
Got it. Thank you! The F2 seems to work fine. I can input it there from the menu. (And, it seems like there are a whole bunch of other symbols there for me to use. So, thanks for that, too!)
In reply to If you press F2 while… by mike320
This was huge. Thank you.
In reply to Is there a straightforward… by maddrecm
And then, you can drag from the Special Characters palette to your own palette. I have both diminished and half-diminished - superscripted and not - as well as a superscripted 7 and some other characters all ready to go in my own custom palette.
In reply to And then, you can drag from… by Marc Sabatella
I never thought of putting an individual text item in a palette to add to staff text. I didn't think it would work.
In reply to I never thought of putting… by mike320
I think it didn't until maybe a year or two ago. But it's extremely useful, I use it quite often now.
In reply to I think it didn't until… by Marc Sabatella
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In reply to And then, you can drag from… by Marc Sabatella
That's a great idea. I hadn't even thought of it, let alone tried it. Thank you!
In reply to The 0 should only be… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks Marc. Perfect - clear and complete.
In reply to The 0 should only be… by Marc Sabatella
"The 0 should only be understood as half-diminished when entered in a context where it would normally be understood as that - right after the root. Eg, C0 will convert to half-diminished, but C7text-including-a-0 will not."
This has just bitten me, I was trying to add "Dm0", and wondering why I'm getting the "0" rather than the half-diminished symbol. My suggestion is that you update the handbook to explicitly say this, because it's not immediately obvious.
p.s. thanks for making this great piece of software!
In reply to "The 0 should only be… by rwillmer
Just realised that I can edit the handbook myself, so I've done just that.
Late to the replies but I came across this as well. Fixed it by going to Format > Style > Chord Symbols. Select Appearance > Jazz. Click OK.
In reply to Late to the replies but I… by frogmoses
But for the record, you don't need to do this to get the half-diminished symbol - typing "0" gives you the half-diminished symbol in the Standard style as well.
I just tried and it did not work so I was going to just go back with a black pen and put a line through it. I typed in the next chord symbol and it automatically corrected to a half dim symbol. I already had the notes underneath on the staff.
In reply to I just tried and it did not… by gregwilks2012@…
It's not clear exactly what you tried - you have a score created in a recent version of MuseScore, and you added a chord symbol to it with Ctrl+K, and typed a valid half-diminished chord symbol like C07, but the half-diminished symbol didn't appear? If so, probably something is wrong in the score, like maybe it was originally created in an extremely old version of MuseScore, from before this support was present. In order to understand and assist, we would need you to attach the score and describe the problem in more detail.
In reply to It's not clear exactly what… by Marc Sabatella
I was responding to Marbuf would wrote the orginal question. I did type control k and put 0 in the text box. It did not change to the half dim symbol so went on the next chord. After finishing the next chord the previous chord that was supposed to be half dim changed automatically. I am content it worked. I do not know which version I have but I really like it. Thank for trying to help me!
In reply to I was responding to Marbuf… by gregwilks2012@…
Just "0" is not a valid chord symbol, "c07" is and then the "0" turns into an "ø" (and the "c" into "C")
What version you have is in Help > About...
In reply to Just "0" is not a valid… by Jojo-Schmitz
I put the Chord symbol letter in front and the 7 afterwards. It auto corrected when going on to the next chord.
In reply to I put the Chord symbol… by gregwilks2012@…
Indeed
In reply to I put the Chord symbol… by gregwilks2012@…
It’s working. You’re right, Greg. Thanks 👍
In reply to It’s working. You’re right,… by watlingml
Glad I was able to help!
In reply to It's not clear exactly what… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks, Marc. It’s working now. Some of the info in the thread was helpful, and thanks for your note 👍
In reply to I just tried and it did not… by gregwilks2012@…
You wrote:
I typed in the next chord symbol and it automatically corrected to a half dim symbol...
The text you type displays exactly how it is typed. Once you complete the entry then advance to enter the next chord (or press Enter, or press Esc), does the text automatically get transformed into ø (or Δ, or superscript, etc.).
In reply to You wrote: I typed in the… by Jm6stringer
Thanks, JM6. It’s working now 👍🙂