repeats inside repaat
I have two repeat pairs to repeat the
first part of the song once, then the
second part of the song once.
And I also want to repeat the whole
song a fixed number of times.
I can't have the two repeat pairs inside
another repeat pair, can I?
I use D.S. but can I tell it how many
times like I can the repeat barline?
Comments
Nested repeats is often requested but mscore doesn't support. But that is not official musical notation anyway.
The official musical understanding of DS is that inner reapts aren't taken...only last time through...so won't be able to have repeats taken inside. This is requested often as well.
I don't know of way to do multiple DS repeats, but such a thing is not official anyway. My impression is that unofficial music notation/behavior doesn't seem to be high priority for MuseScore project.
In reply to Nested repeats is often by ericfontainejazz
Many French music, if not to say all, mean that the repeats are replayed after a D.S. or D.C.
I confess I do not understand this reluctance to implement the possibility of making the play again or not.
In reply to Many French music, if not to by Miré
If you can provide a reference to some official published scores during common-music era which support claim that some or "all" french music have repeats replayed after a D.S. or D.C., that would help provide motivation for implementing control of repeat playback in D.S./D.C. This issue is already in the issue tracker, so please comment either in #18974: Repeats don't nest or #8604: Better control of repeats and jumps for playback
Again, I'd like to implement this as well, so adding some official references will increase motivation.
A lot of the "reluctance" to implement I believe is due to increased complexity results in increased risk of bugs, so the priority is to have official music performing standards be implemented first and correctly before non-standard things are implemented. Also, the logic for implementing the unwinding of repeats is a little convoluted, you can see it here: https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/blob/master/libmscore/repeatlist…
so there is some concern about breaking old functionality. Also I believe mscore developers prioritize issues related to visual notation representation over audio playback.
In reply to If you can provide a by ericfontainejazz
Also, quite simply, playback is always lower priority than notation. And then of course support for non-standard playback features is correspondingly even lower in priority than support for standard playback. Doesn't mean it won't happen, but "reluctance" is simlly that there are many much more important things to work on.
I have to say I don't think this situation is so very rare. What we have here is a song with a number of stanzas. This situation is entirely different from the usual application of D.S. / D.C. There is no question of skipping repeats in the second or later run-throughs. There is a text that doesn't allow it (generally the same number of syllables in each stanza).
Traditionally you would find several lines of lyrics under the staffs or else the first stanza under the staffs with the rest of the lyrics printed underneath as a poem. Then it would be clear to the dumbest singer that he/she has to repeat the melody until no more text is left. I don't think there needs to be another.
For playback this kind of situation is maybe not very rewarding anyway. Playback will never sing the text--at least I don't think it will. However if playback is important: In songs like this the "inner" repeats are generally short (16 or fewer measures). I would just typeset them twice (i.e. typeset them and then copy/paste them) and then only have to deal with one layer of repeat signs.
BTW: Beethoven did a similar thing in the "Spring Sonata": He wrote out the first repeat in the scherzo because he wanted it repeated in the da capo as well.
In reply to I have to say I don't think by azumbrunn
Are you talking about literally having repeats within roeats, or just situations where you might take a repeat within a DS?
There latter is not rare indeed. Lots of jazz lead sheets will do this as well, generally explicitly writing "take repeats" directly below the "DS al coda". And I definitely agree that someday it might be nice to add support for an option to do this.
The former - literally having nested repeats - is much more rare, and is really incorrect and hugely confusing to musicians. But unfortunately, I have had to conduct published scores that do this on occasion, and deal with the train wrecks that almost inevitably ensure as people can't figure out on the fly how to match the repeats.