About the update fretboard diagram in Inspector
My opinion, point by point.
1) Scale : the default value (1.00) now increases from one unit (1.00 -> 2.00 -> 3.00). This increase is totally excessive and disproportionate. Eg, the value 2.00 shows a fret diagram that fills the gap between two systems (see image below). Inappropriate. Moreover, it contradicts the same function in System -> General -> Chords symbols which increases by a 0.20 value.
So, we must return to the previous increase by 0.20 value, ie : 1.00, 1.20, 1.40 etc. which was entirely satisfactory.
2) Strings and 3) Frets. We now have the ability to increase the number of strings and frets also in the inspector now. Why not. No specific comments about it.
4) Barré: I am very surprised by the result. Either I have totally missed something? Either the implementation is not finished? Either this feature is unusable and/or will not be used in this state.
Indeed, from my first tests, this feature allows to move the barré line one fret after another.
For instance, if I want to get an A barré on the fifth fret, I get this result.
Except that this display is confused, prone to errors (you have to count the number of frets before reaching the barré line?) And above all totally unusual (I have never seen this display), and it takes up space unnecessarily. Tell me if I'm wrong?
The purpose is precisely to avoid this displaying of frets before the barré line by just using a number for locate the barré fret, which can be done with the scroll bar in the Fretboard Diagram Properties.
Finally, regarding spelling, it's not Barre, but Barré with an acute accent on the “e”. See eg “Behind Bars” page 376: “Barré”, “Grand barré”, “Half barré". And again, to be consistent with the same spelling (Barré) in System -> General -> Chords symbols.
Comments
1/ Agreed. Will fix.
4/ Barre is everywhere on the web, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_chord
So it seems to be Barre or Barré. I agree that we should be consistent though. Gould is british I believe. Native american english speaker, any preference?
Regarding the barré settings, I don't know if you are right or wrong, but you are the expert :) Is the barré always on the first visible fret? Don't be surprised and tell us how you think things should work!
In reply to 1/ Agreed. Will fix. 4/ Barre by [DELETED] 5
First, thanks for the scale fix. Then:
"Is the barré always on the first visible fret? "
Yes of course. What would be the purpose of showing a part of the fretboard which, by definition, with a barré, will be totally unused, where there is absolutely nothing going on, in short, a dead spot? Any.
“tell us how you think things should work! “
Well, it's hard for me to say because I do not know what the exact purpose of this implementation. Give more "visibility" in the Inspector? Sometimes the best is the enemy of the good.
The editing of chord diagrams is done in the Properties, right? As for the bends, eg, in the Bend Properties.
I feel, it's my understanding for now, we wanted to give more “visibility” via the Inspector, but by encroaching (unnecessarily in my opinion) on the field of the Properties.
Or the intention, ultimately, is it to do all the editing work in the inspector, as a sort of duplication of Properties? I would be surprised by this.
Is it that the editing bends work will done one day in the inspector? I would be surprised too, but I'm not in the head of the developers :)
So for the fret diagrams, the result is wobbly. It is in an in-between, missed in my opinion. Between increased visibility - scaling was sufficient, in my opinion, such as playback for Bends -, and between an editing work that has missed its target.
The edition of strings number and frets number is done in the Properties, and is done simultaneously by the user with the edition of the diagram. One does not go without the other. So, their edition in Inspector is superfluous, I don't see exactly for now the use case (but not really annoying) in the Inspector.
However, regarding the barré, all result without the location of the fret barré indicated only by a number (and not by the previous frets) would be a mistake. But as told, is it the location (the Inspector) to do this editing work?
- Finally, about the spelling "Barré":
![barré.jpg]( "barré.jpg")
Gould, Behind Bars, seen.
Other: last paragraph of Fingering Notation ("execution of barrés") : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_guitar#Fingering_Notation
Other (see image below). Source: a reference book: " James Tyler & Paul Sparks. The Guitar and Its Music: From the Renaissance to the Classical Era (Oxford University Press, 2007). "
James Tyler, american musicologist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tyler_%28music%29
In reply to First, thanks for the scale by cadiz1
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_chord, Wikipedia calls it "Barre", not "Barré". I'm not saying that this is an authoritative source, just that it is a source ;-)
And as mentioned above Gould is british, and they do have a tendency towards French, more than in American English.
In the Guitar Learners' books I habe at hand, a barre is alway in the top fret and has a number next to it indicating the 'real' fret number
In reply to See by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo, you have not read my previous comment entirely. There is also "barré" in Wikipedia, among others, as I wrote above.
In reply to Jojo, you have not read my by cadiz1
Well, I have, but decided to ignore that part ;-)
Being mentioned inside an article is different from being a Lemma in itself
An the other hand "barré" is a French word, so why not spell it right.
I don't mind either way, in a German translation I'd spell it "Barrè" in any case
In reply to Well, I have, but decided to by Jojo-Schmitz
For the record, we have the spelling "barré" in the Marc's book "Mastering MuseScore" (good one!), page 218.
Ie "Barré chords" and "to create a symbol for a barré".
In reply to For the record, we have the by cadiz1
Ok, so let's make the whole fretboard thing better together. My proposal is as follow.
1/ In inspector, we keep only scale (frets/string/barre are better in the dialog) - For scale, the step needs to be 0.2 and min/max needs to be sensible (0.2 to 50 for example)
2/ In inspector, we add a button to open the fret diagram properties - This button can be generalized to other elements that we can't move to inspector such as bends.
Barré/Barre will disappear. For the future, let consolidate on one word. MuseScore UI being in american english, I would prefer to have the opinion of a couple american guitarists but for now, Iet's go for "Barré" if we need the string in the UI.
Werner is working on it, so it will appear in nightlies soon.
In reply to Ok, so let's make the whole by [DELETED] 5
And another probably useful extension would be to allow setting the fingering of a fretboard diagram via the plugin framework. The other settings have been made available, this is still missing and IMHO the more important and useful part
In reply to And another probably useful by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for the changes. So obvious and successful now :)
Observation (I just watched): the scale for the Tremolo Bar in the inspector does not work, are we okay?
In reply to Thanks for the changes. So by cadiz1
The scale for tremolo bar should work now. But there are other problems with tremolo bar.
In reply to And another probably useful by Jojo-Schmitz
The scripting interface for the fretboard diagram is work in progress. I first implemented the simple things :-)