Horizontal frame crashes / alternatives?
I'm creating a series of brief (1-2 measure) examples, each on its own system. I'm using horizontal frames at the end of nearly every system so the measures aren't so wide. I'm getting a lot of crashes...actually not crashes but the whole layout gets weird (it gets messed up visually), then when I click to close the document it doesn't actually close but brings everything back to the way it was (visually). Usually, at least (I think it's crashed at least once or twice). I'll attach an example of what I'm trying to do below.
Since I'm using possibly dozens if not hundreds of horizontal frames in this score, I'm wondering if horizontal frames are known to cause visual distortions or program crashes? If so, is there an alternative to shorten the length of systems?
Thanks!
Doug
P.S. I accidentally posted this twice, but can't for the life of me figure out how to delete the redundant post. If there is a way, it's not at all obvious...
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Which version of MuseScore, what OS, can you share a score showing the problem?
Are you aware that you can apply a system break to horizontal Frames?
And no, I'm not aware of known problems with frames Messing up layout or crashing and no, you can't delete a post, only the webmaster can.
In reply to Which version of MuseScore, by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks, JoJo, I'm using Win 8.1. Can you tell me what the relevance of applying a system break to a frame is, in my case? Here's another screenshot when the layout gets crazy. Thanks for your help!
Doug
In reply to Thanks, JoJo, I'm using Win by darkstream
Oh, and I'm using MS 2.0.2.
In reply to Thanks, JoJo, I'm using Win by darkstream
The horizontal frames you are using between systems is not a good solution and indeed causes problems? This is what either spacers or vertical frames are for.
In reply to Which version of MuseScore, by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks, JoJo, I'm using Win 8.1. Can you tell me what the relevance of applying a system break to a frame is, in my case? Here's another screenshot when the layout gets crazy. Thanks for your help!
Doug
NOT FOUND: Horizontal Frames Problems.png
In reply to Thanks, JoJo, I'm using Win by darkstream
System break would make sure that the frame is the the last thing in the line, always, no matter how small you make them.
And without seeing the real score it is next to impossible to find what goes wrong and how to fix it
Is it #90766: Issue during creating horizontal frame?
In reply to Is it #90766: Issue during by Isaac Weiss
Hmm, I don't any Multi measure rests?
But @darkstream could try one of the nighly builds (master or 2.0.3) to see whether it solves the problem
In reply to Hmm, I don't any Multi by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, I don't have any multi-measure rests. In fact, no measures consisting only of rests at all.
In reply to Is it #90766: Issue during by Isaac Weiss
What about #91471: Crash on load of score with horizontal frame taking an entire system? If that's not it, that suggests it's an entirely unknown bug, in which case we'd very much appreciate it if you could attach an example score and describe how to reproduce it.
In reply to What about #91471: Crash on by Isaac Weiss
I'm not super-comfortable sharing this particular score on the forum. Also, as to *how* it happens exactly, I'm not sure I could tell you how to reproduce it. In any event, adding a line break to each horizontal frame seems to have solved the problem.
I bet if you created something like the above score without line breaks, and then tried to add a new measure and horizontal frame in the middle of the score, you would see the problem occur.
Thanks to everyone for your help!
Doug
In reply to I'm not super-comfortable by darkstream
Feel free to delete notes from the score if you don't want to share it, but also keep in mind, virtually know one will see this except developers and a couple of people trying to help. There really is nothing to worry about.
Anyhow, the bugs mentioned above are the only ones I know of in this area. If one seems to match what you are seeing, then great. If not, then we really need your help to understand. But your picture does appear to show a horizontal frame on a system all by itself, which really doesn't make sense and you should be using something else like a vertical frame or spacer. And the horizontal frame all by itself on a system *is* the cause of one of the bugs mentioned above.
In reply to Feel free to delete notes by Marc Sabatella
Marc,
I'm confused by your comment. According to the Handbook, horizontal frames can be used to create a right margin at the end of a system. This is what I'm trying to do.
Maybe it's because you didn't realize that the horizontal frame on the system all by itself (in my above example) IS the bug ... that's what it looks like when everything goes awry!
Doug
P.S. In any event, as I said, adding a break to each frame has stopped this issue from reoccuring...so far at least!
In reply to Marc, I'm confused by your by darkstream
Sorry, you are absolutely correct that I did not realize the frame by itself was the bug. I thought you did that on purpose for some reason.
It's still the case that any time you think you have found a bug, we will need the actual score and precise steps to reproduce the bug if we are to have much chance of fixing it. So if you still think there is a bug here *other* than the one I know about (where deliberately putting a horizontal frame on a system by itself causes bad things to happen), we would still like more information. Even if you are temporarily working around the bug by adding breaks, if there is a bug, we'd like to fix it.