One and only one request
First, many thanks to the folks who worked hard to bring MuseScore to its wonderful present. Also, special thanks to those who worked on the micro tonal features which really enhanced the global use of MuseScore. When it comes to the note names, it seems that only the diatonic sounds are named. Is there a way to name the half flat and half sharp notes? That will bring MuseScore to perfection and I am not exaggerating for a fact. Almost all of the music notation programs out there lack this micro tonal power which makes MuseScore quite unique. Its accidentals palette is a testimony of that. Thanks again.
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Microtonal music is an area of which I have no knowledge.
Is there an international standard for naming microtones?
If so, what is it?
In reply to Microtonal music is an area by ChurchOrganist
Hi ChurchOrganist,
Next to the most popular flats and sharps come the half flats and half sharps which MusicScore displays as well.
What do you mean by "naming" these notes? MuseScore shouldn't care what you call them. are you sayung, you want a keyboard shortcut for entering these notes?
In reply to What do you mean by "naming" by Marc Sabatella
Hi Marc,
Let's say you wrote a piece of music that has flats, sharps, and quarter tone accidentals such as half flats (crossed b) and half sharps (crossed equal sign that looks like =/). When you go to plugins and choose the NOTE NAMES, only the flats and sharps are named (i.e. Ab, C#, Eb, etc...) but NOT the quarter tone notes. You get : E instead of E crossed b.....or F instead of F crossed equal sign. Sorry I cannot display these symbols here because they need a different processor. When you look at accidentals you will recognize them. Is there a way out? Thank you.
In reply to micromusic by musefan
Ah, I see, you are talking about the Note Names plugin, not MuseScore itself. Plugins are kind of separate, and they are mostly user-contributed. You should be able to customize this yourself - just go to the plugins folder on your system, find the JS file, and edit the lines that control this to also handle the accidentals you use. And then perhaps you could contribute your changes back to the main source for this plugin. Even if you're not normally a programmer, you may find this is something you can figure out by examining the file. Here is the page that documents how the accidentals are stored:
http://musescore.org/en/plugin-development/note-object
I haven't tried it, so no guarantees, but I have to imagine it would just be a matter of adding a test for userAccidental.
In reply to Ah, I see, you are talking by Marc Sabatella
Guess I could try to extent that plugin to show these too, watch this space ;-)
Edit: seems the table in the documentation is wrong and incomplete, the numbers don't match the textual description of the symbols from the palette?
Here's the code snippet I'm trying to use:
Anything wrong with it?
In reply to Guess I could try to extent by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you, Joachim, for your efforts. How can I apply this program to make it work?
In reply to quarter tones by musefan
try the attached. But as I said, it doesn't seem to work properly.
In reply to try the attached. But as I by Jojo-Schmitz
No effect yet. I 'll be waiting for a breakthrough.
In reply to Joachim by musefan
Try this. Apparently the numbering in the plugin interface doesn't match the numbering in the MuseScore C++ source (which is what the documentations is base on).
In reply to Try this. Apparently the by Jojo-Schmitz
We are making progress. I used Eflat-slash (i.e. the first sign of the second row in the Accidentals palette) and the Note-Name plugin gives "Eflat-slash) in words but not in symbols--a step in the right direction.
In reply to We are making progress. I by musefan
getting furter would mean to a) translate those and b) use the Unicode characters for these symbols, if available
In reply to getting furter would mean to by Jojo-Schmitz
How difficult is it to translate and encode them?
In reply to How difficult is it to by musefan
translate is hard (to me, for any language other than German), encode may be impossible, most of those signs may not be defined by unicode and/or part of an available font (some are, like # and b, but already bb and ## are not).
Just take the plugin and play with it to your heart's content and see whether you can come up with something that is usefull, at least to you?
In reply to translate is hard (to me, for by Jojo-Schmitz
I managed to get the half flat with the letter "p", initial of the French "petit" and is actually a "b" with the line down meaning "less". Now E half flat becomes "Ep". Also, I replaced the half sharp with the letter "z" which looks like the symbol itsef. And now we have Fz for F half sharp.. The Note Names plugin works wonderfully. The sol-fa plugin also works great. Thanks again. The network of support around MuseScore is really superb. It has made this program so versatile and adaptable to various genres of music. I know there is always room of improvement but it's a great leap. Well done!
In reply to Jojo, Marc,...........At last! by musefan
I've now fixed the documentation (@ http://musescore.org/en/plugin-development/note-object)
Using p and z for half flat and half sharp might work for you, but I don't like that idea to much and also it leaves some 20 more with those overly long names, so I'm not going to put this into the 'official' version of that plugin.
I could put it in, but leave it commented out, so anyone with a need has less problems adding it back in?
In reply to I've now fixed the by Jojo-Schmitz
Modifying the note names and adding all kinds of accidentals have proved easier than thought. With the text editing tools and with a music font, one can add accidentals to those names with total ease. Problem solved.
In reply to Good News! by musefan
Could you share it? I.e. attach the modifield plugin here?
In reply to Good News! by musefan
I wrote a score that has quarter notes, flats and sharps. I used your Plugins to name the notes. Then, I used the text editor and added the quarter notes symbols using a music notation fonts that I downloaded. The half flats and the half sharps were added to the names beautifully. Thank you for your support during this exploration.
In reply to Hi Jojo! by musefan
Oh, so you modified the score after the pugin ran, right?
In reply to Oh, so you modified the score by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes. I did.
In reply to Yes. I did. by musefan
So there's nothing to chang in the plugin itself. I comitted a new version yesterday, to see the courtesy- and microtonal accidentals just change false to true in line 104
In reply to So there's nothing to chang by Jojo-Schmitz
We can keep the updated plugins you made as they are because they worked and we can use the text menu to add any imaginable accidental to note names afterwards. You could send the new version. I'll be happy to try it. Thanks.
In reply to Follow-up by musefan
It is available on the plugins page, http://musescore.org/en/project/notenames
In reply to It is available on the by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you. again.
In reply to try the attached. But as I by Jojo-Schmitz
We don't have to focus on all of the accidentals but we can limit our attention to the most used ones, namely, the crossed b and the unequal sign. These two alone are sufficient in many types of quarter tone music.
In reply to Ah, I see, you are talking by Marc Sabatella
Marc,
I really appreciate your input which brought us closer to the solution.