When People Die or Become Inactive
I'll start with a statement: some of us are not all that young and over time nature will dispose of us, but will mankind dispose of our creations?
My question is this: when an account (pro) becomes inactive and the annual fee is not paid what will happen? Will the account and the scores which may well be original works be deleted?
And if they are deleted isn't that terribly unfair because we all know there are many people who who avoid contributing money to musescore by having multiple free accounts. Presumably free accounts will remain as long as musescore exists.
Philip McHugh
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Nothing gets deleted, but all except the 5 most recent scores get hidden
In reply to Nothing gets deleted, but by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for the response. I am glad they are not deleted. However if you have lots of original scores in your account the world will only see 5. That is a pity.
In reply to Thanks for the response. I am by philip_mchugh
Yes ist is a pity, but MuseScore.com is not a charity.
In reply to Thanks for the response. I am by philip_mchugh
It's not a charity indeed but they are (a few) human beings behind it...
@philip_mchugh I wonder what you would expect in this specific case. Can you elaborate?
In reply to It's not a charity indeed but by [DELETED] 5
True, but these human beings can't know whether a user died or just lost interest or deliberately decided not to continue with the pro account
In reply to True, but these human beings by Jojo-Schmitz
True, that's why I'm curious to know what the OP would expect.
In reply to It's not a charity indeed but by [DELETED] 5
Hello, my point which nobody has addressed is that there are numerous people with more than one account. So these people who don't play the game would in the event of their death have all their work available to the public via musescore accounts. Someone who was honest and went pro and paid money to musescore would be in a worse position because only 5 of their scores would show to the world. This in my humble opinion is not natural justice.
In reply to Hello, my point which nobody by philip_mchugh
Sure. What do you propose then?
In reply to Sure. What do you propose by [DELETED] 5
If you state the problem it seems to me the answer is to ensure musescore users 'play the game'.
How many people have more than one 'free'account? Is it fair to turn a blind eye to this at the expense of people who make a monetary contribution to musescore?
A system which knowingly allows an injustice will not be respected.
The result of accepting the status quo is this: the honest user who dies keeps 5 scores on line; the 'dishonest' user who dies keeps all their scores online. It just can't be right.
In reply to Hello, my point which nobody by philip_mchugh
Do you have any prove or indication for your claim that there a numerous people with multiple accounts?
In reply to Do you have any prove or by Jojo-Schmitz
I think its understood that numerous people have more than one account. I first noticed when I found a user who simply name his account '######1' and '######2' It was that blatant.
In reply to I think its understood that by philip_mchugh
That's no prove. I occasionally had to resort to this myself, because my favourite name was already taken by someone else.
Also a pro acount can have thousands of scores online, for 1000 scores you'd need 200 free accounts, I don't think anyone really does this (and goes unnoticed)
In reply to That's no prove. I by Jojo-Schmitz
I think it's pretty obvious that https://musescore.com/user/32218, https://musescore.com/user/110286, and https://musescore.com/user/4596416 are all the same person. FWIW.
In reply to I think it's pretty obvious by Isaac Weiss
OK, this one indeed seems obvious. Up to "The Powers To Be" to decide whather this is misuse (IMHO it is) and should be banned.
OTOH this is just 8 scores in excess and still the claim was that there are numerous such (mis)use(r)s.
In reply to OK, this one indeed seems by Jojo-Schmitz
I could easily point to a few others I know, though all small-scale like this. I'm not in charge, but my feelings on that are "who cares?".
The World will see only 5. Make the 1st and last score a compilation of all your other scores and one of them ought to be included in that 5.
In reply to The World will see only 5. by underquark
Last. But that's only doable if they all have the same instrumentation, or if you rearrange them to have the same instrumentation. https://musescore.com/mollymawk famously did that recently.
In reply to Last. But that's only doable by Isaac Weiss
You can always hide empty staves. You might also be able to get a bit creative with the file format - since mscz is just a Zip of mscx, you could embed all your scores in a Zip file and change the extension but leave instructions on how to decompress it into several different scores. Now, when you add another score just append it to the Zip, change its extension and update your uploads.
In reply to You can always hide empty by underquark
I don't think the site would accept it as a valid MSCZ. I've tried unzipping and rezipping, and MuseScore won't load them afterwards.
In reply to I don't think the site would by Isaac Weiss
So 'who cares'. Ultimately if nobody cares the whole system is brought into disrepute. So what if people who used to contribute annually to musecore suddenly 'don't care'. Lets all abuse the system and use multiple free accounts. You get the picture.
I care and feel a bit aggrieved that some people are not 'playing the game'. I have said my bit and will say no more.
Hi Philip, it's a very good question to ask, and unfortunately we don't have a good answer for it yet. I will analyse the policy of the other services are such as Flickr, SoundCloud and Vimeo on this matter. TBC.
As for the people who are gaming the system. Instead of playing police, we will give users who perhaps won't have the money, the ability to earn a Pro membership by doing something which shall benefit all. While the announcement for this idea is scheduled for later, you may get what it is by reading https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/openscore
In reply to Hi Philip, it's a very good by Thomas
YES YES YES! I was wondering what the next Open Goldberg-type initiative would be; this is my dreams fulfilled. I predict https://musescore.com/user/127153 is among the first to earn a Pro membership this way.
In reply to YES YES YES! I was wondering by Isaac Weiss
I do a lot of transcriptions using IMSLP and look forward to seeing what you require for this.
In reply to Hi Philip, it's a very good by Thomas
https://musescore.org/it/node/154361
In reply to Hi Philip, it's a very good by Thomas
More information about OpenScore: https://musescore.org/en/user/57401/blog/2017/01/11/introducing-opensco…
I was wondering what would be a suitable punishment for those who game the system. I came up with the following, but I'm not sure I should post it. What kind of twisted mind could think of this?
Lock them in a room and force them to listen to an endless loop of bad transcriptions of Zelda themes, until they went legit. To intensify the pain, we could follow Zelda best practices and leave each one unfinished, with a large random number of empty measures at the end. The system-gamer would be highly stressed, waiting for the next one to start. Perhaps that would be too harsh.
To address the OP's concerns, the best thing to do is write down your passwords for all your online accounts somewhere safe and leave instructions in your will.
From a technical standpoint, MuseScore.com could introduce a feature to have your account "managed" by another user in the event you become inactive, or for other users to chip-in towards a PRO subscription to keep a user's scores available after they die.
In reply to To address the OP's concerns, by shoogle
Thoughtful and interesting comments - Thanks.
Hi
The thing you can do is create a youtube account and then send your score in video... So if your account turn to a free one... all your score will stay on the internet... Don't forget to talk about this channel youtube when you post a new score on musescore.
:)
To be fair, a lot of people who use this website/service aren't cheating Musescore because they simply don't want to play the game, and not pay. There are users who do this because they simply don't have the money. If you look through Musescore's groups section, you'll see quite a bit of them dedicated to composers that are under legal-working age. Of course, as a teenager, you want to share with the world your creations! Though they might think the Pro membership is worth it, their parent/guardian might have different thoughts on the matter.
As for when someone passes away, it'd only make sense that their scores faded away like their legacy. When someone dies, the least of their worries isn't going to be whether someone will be able to view their score. There are 7+ billion people on the planet, most people's existence is insignificant. Yes, there are those who make a name for themselves, but the majority just fade away to be forgotten. I'd say that the limiting to 5 scores is fair.
Not really a solution to your original question, but my thoughts on the matter of skipping out on Pro accounts.
Also, there are video sharing sites like YouTube, Dailymotion, VidMe, etc... that normally allow unlimited uploads for users. No cost.