Slash. 2 dot repeat sign. (Repeats Pallett, 1st symbol)
It would be useful to be able to place this object ABOVE the staff when the bar affected is the same changes as the previous bar but there are melody notes written in the bar.
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Maybe the measure repeat symbol could be added to the symbol palette (F2).
In reply to Maybe the measure repeat by David Bolton
Thanks for your prompt and useful responses.
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Has this been figured out yet? I'm trying to place a slash 2 dot repeat sign above the staff, to repeat the previous measure chord symbal, while keeping the melody which is different than the previous bar.
In reply to The "slash 2 dot" repeat sign ABOVE the staff. by rcamelia
Have you seen the movie number 7 (Getting Started, home page) and the handbook (http://musescore.org/en/handbook/bar-line)?
If the problem is more complex attach the file and explains more details...
In reply to Ciao rcamelia, by Shoichi
Yes, I did, but they didn't touch upon the problem.
Thanks.
In reply to The "slash 2 dot" repeat sign ABOVE the staff. by rcamelia
Hi -
Try dragging the symbol from the Repeats palette to inside the measure and dropping it. Then drag it from there above the measure.
I don't think the symbol has any affect on playback, but it should give you the appearance you want.
Fifist
In reply to Drag the symbol? by Fifist
I tried that but then the melody would disapear.
Thanks for the response.
In reply to I tried that but then the by rcamelia
Try to attach the score if you want.
In reply to Hi by Shoichi
Shoichi, I'm not sure if I know how to attch a file here, but I'm going to try.
P.S. I think I've succeeded. Another interesting problem that I haven't attacked yet is the fact that on the last line I'd put 2 barline repeats; but you'll notice that the first one has disappeared and that happens each time I save it. Not a big deal though, 'cause I make sure I put it again each time I'm about to print a copy.
In reply to The "slash 2 dot" repeat sign ABOVE the staff. by rcamelia
BTW, normally you don't need to put a repeat sign about a measure to tell musicians to repeat the previous chord, and in fact, it is counterproductive to do so. Musicians know that a chord symbol lasts until another one replaces it. So simply putting nothing above a measure means the pevious chord continues, and this is how virtually all published music does it.
If you do really want to put the sign above the staff anyhow, the suggesed method of placing the symbol then dragging up won't work because it won't allow for notes in the bar. And I don't see this symbol in the symbols palette yet - should probably be added, as mentioned a while back. Perhaos someone could submit an official feature request via the tracker.
For mow, I guess you could create it as a graphic (PNG file) and place it manually. But again, you might ask yourslef if it is worth the trouble, when the standard is to not use these symbols this way.
In reply to BTW, normally you don't need by Marc Sabatella
Hi Roderick -
Sorry, dragging the symbol onto the measure and then above it does indeed delete the notes there. But I found that you can still have notes in the measure that belong to voice 2..
Probably not the best solution.
Hope the band is doing well.
Fifist
In reply to drag by Fifist
That's interesting.
In reply to drag by Fifist
This sounds like a solution - I'm going to try it.
Thanks.
In reply to This sounds like a solution - by rcamelia
I believe that MuseScore 2.0 (not yet released) will give you the ability to add your own symbols to the symbols palette (and maybe others). (See Create -> Symbols)
The symbols there can be dropped on your score and have no particular intrinsic meaning. (For example, I have used the quarter note in notations at the top of the score, like "Met. (quarter note) = 96")
That's really the solution that doesn't require you to jump through hoops to get the appearance you want.
Perhaps lasconic can be persuaded to add this symbol to the Symbol palette for 1.3? This release will contain very few new things, just some important bug fixes, from what I understand.
Fifist
(You once called me "the Dutch lady", although I am not Dutch.)
In reply to Not the final solution by Fifist
Fifist,
I tried your original solution (of dragging the symbol up, and used voice 2 or 3 to re-write the melody) and it worked. I'll use it in my next leadsheet, and at some point I'll go back and add that to the charts I've already done. I just need to remeber which voice has a stem up and which stem down, so I won't need to go change stem direction in the "note-properties".
Thanks again.
P.S. "The Dutch lady" sounds like something I would say if there was anything "Dutchy" about you, but but now you really have me in a mystery. Feel free to email me and tell me more about it - you can find my email address here: www.myspace.com/camelialatinband .
In reply to drag by Fifist
P.S. Concerning the band, right now we're still in the slow season, but change is on the horizon.
How did you find out about it - did you google it? (Just curious.)
Thanks again.
In reply to BTW, normally you don't need by Marc Sabatella
What you're saying is true and I'm aware of that possibilty. The problem with that is that if you make a small bar among many other bars, some musicians have a tendency to skip or overlook it. But once I started putting the "previous measure repeat" sign on each bar that didn't have a chord symbol, this problem was solved. (Of course it's also easy to just repeat the same chor symbol again, which is what I'm currently doing, but the chart can end up looking pretty "crowded" with chord symbols.
Ultimately, what I'm trying to do is to have my charts achieve the clearest possible communication. If I make a chart and no one has any question about it, or no one gets lost at any point, then I consider having achieved this purpose.
Thanks for your response.
In reply to BTW, normally you don't need by Marc Sabatella
BTW, the place where repeats in chord IS common/desirable is when the repeat applies to one or more entire measures. See for example Real Book vol. 1, Angel Eyes (p.24). It's not always used (e.g. it doesn't seem to appear in the New Real Books) -- but it's certainly a standard practice, and so we should support it.
In reply to about repeats in chordnames by spinality
Good point. I had to look up that chart to see what you mean, though. For the record, it's a case where the first bar has several chord symbols above it, then the second bar repeats that same sequence of chords. It's simpler to use the repeat-bar symbol than to actually repeat the entire sequence. So having the repeat-bar symbol on the symbols palette would allow for this.
In reply to Good point. I had to look up by Marc Sabatella
Agreed, the logical and also simple solution is to offer a repeat symbol in the palette. (And note that this usage is not just to avoid copying the chords -- the result is a clearer chart, since that way you know there isn't a subtle variation between the two sets of chords.)
Here's one other point about multi-measure repeats and rests. We often need to put a numeral above or below the rest or repeat symbol to indicate the number of measures affected. This can be done using a separate text object; but it might be nice/logical if the number could somehow be an (easily-editable) property of the symbol -- so that it would move and resize as expected.
I don't actually recall there being a symbol for a multi-measure rest; do we have that?
In reply to Precisely by spinality
Are you perhaps not aware MuseScore already does multimeasure rests automatically? They are created by default when you generate parts from a score, or you can force them to be created via Style / Edit General Style. I can't think of any situatins where it would be advantageous to do this manually via symbols.
As for multimeasure repeat-bar symbols, that's definitely a common request, and hopefully it will happen at some point. See #10220: Add a two and four measure (multi-measure) repeat sign with playback.
In reply to Are you perhaps not aware by Marc Sabatella
I knew there had to be a way. It didn't occur to me to look in the style settings. As you know, it's not always obvious where to look for a particular feature or option. I agree that symbols wouldn't have been an ideal method. However I do think it should be possible to create a manual multi-measure rest of a given length, rather than having this only result from a system default.
For example, I just did a chart with an 8-bar rest for a drum solo followed by an 8-bar rest for an a capella section. Each has its own text label. I wouldn't want that to show up as a 16-bar rest for "drum plus a capella solos".
Not a big deal, but still, writing an 8-bar rest seems like a specific notation choice made in context, rather than a global default.
In reply to Knew there had to be a way by spinality
Then simply put a double bar or rehearsal letter at the a capella section. Or use measure properties to set the "break multimeasure rest" attribute for the measure where you want the break. There really should never be a reason to need to place his symbol manyally. Any more than you should need to draw staff lines manually, put stems on noteheads manually, etc. Musescore doesn't arbitrarily put in 8-bar rests - it puts them in for as long as the section of rests actually is, but if you want to break the rest prematurely, any of the standard things that should break rests will do so, or you can do in non-standard places via measure properties.
In reply to Then simply put a double bar by Marc Sabatella
Duh, absolutely right; I hadn't really thought this out. I hadn't noticed the multimeasure rest feature, so I hadn't used the other features that relate to it. Thanks for clarifying. And I certainly agree that special symbols would be a poor mechanism for this.
In reply to duh by spinality
For full details, see Measure rests in the handbook.