Vertical scrolling page by page like in a text editor (MS Word or LibreOffice Writer)
I have found a lot of requests to implement the continuos scrolling that is useful for editing sheet music with many instruments notated. But it is strange for me that nobody asks for vertical scrolling page by page like in any text editor or viewer (MS Word, LibreOffice Writer, Adobe Reader) and scrolling with mouse wheel. I think it can be very convenient mode to edit scores for solo instruments or editing of individual parts.
Here is my simple sketch of the idea:
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Maybe handy for some, but does anyone _read_ music this way? Hence entry is geared towards how music is played and read.
In reply to Maybe handy for some, but by schepers
I always thought that music notation is read like text, line by line :) and a jump from the bottom of 1st page to the top of 2nd one simultaneously with page dragging by mouse is not handy IMHO. Especially it is very bad when a screen is small, e.g. on netbook (where pages cannot be viewed in full length).
Now I'm interested how do you read music from PDF files, for example?
In reply to I always thought that music notation is read line by line :) by v-k-mus
I tolerate _viewing_ or perusing from PDF, but that's not the gist of my comment. I'm referring to playing music, and reading it. It's always horizontal and for good practical reason.
Now I do understand the bit about the jarring jump from bottom of one page to top of next. This is overcome by continuous mode in v2.0.
In reply to I tolerate _viewing_ or by schepers
Thank you for your reply!
It is very interesting how different people perceive the same things differently.
By the way, all popular music notation software is made with horizontal scrolling of pages...
In reply to Thank you for your reply! It by v-k-mus
I think this idea is worth consideration. It would change an annoying aspect of MS, the jump from page to page at inappropriate times.
In reply to I think this idea is worth by xavierjazz
me too
In reply to Thank you for your reply! It by v-k-mus
...and even playing along with a score -- one can always see what's up ahead.
A long time ago - and I mean so far back that it may have been in a past life - I remember watching the paper piano roll scrolling through a pump-action (mechanical) player piano.
The words to the song were written on the roll so people could stand around the 'pianist' and sing along!
Indeed, vertical scrolling! :-)
Regards...
the thing is, I get why this is better than pages laid out horizontally. what I don't get is why people think this would be better than the true continuous view already implemented for 2.0. surely if avoiding the need to jump from the bottom of one page to the top of the next is a good thing, then avoiding the need to jump from the end of one line to the beginning of the next is even better?
In reply to the thing is, I get why this by Marc Sabatella
With continues view you can't play as score and check the layout at the same time.
With the alternative vertical page wise play, you have those annoying jumps from the bottom of one page to the top of the next.
In reply to the thing is, I get why this by Marc Sabatella
I think that continuous view is great and extremely useful feature for editing of multi-instrument music and it is very good for "draft" editing, when you just enter music and do not worry about the layout.
The current horizontal page view is good for orchestral music when there is only one staff for each instrument per page, without line breaks.
And proposed vertical layout, as it was stated above, would be good for solo parts and pieces with little number of instruments (2-3).
In reply to I think that continuous view by v-k-mus
Excellent summary
There is one main issue I can think of if this feature becomes available... How would you expect the navigator to work?
In reply to There is one main issue I can by [DELETED] 5
I'd suggest: same as in page view (after all this is still page view, just vertical rather than horizontal).
If it is possible, the navigator might move from bottom to the side, if not, just leave it where it is.
Page breaks should still be visible in such a vertical page mode.
In reply to I'd suggest: same as in page by Jojo-Schmitz
You are right. Maybe it is possible to place navigator on the right side of screen. It can look like page navigation in some viewers. For example, here you can see the screenshot from Foxit Reader (just imagine the same panel on the right side):
It would be very useful for solo instruments. I would definitely make it my default setting. I like the page view because a lot more notes are visible at the same time compared to the Continuous View, but currently, navigation from bottom page to top page breaks the flow of reading. With a vertical scrolling, we could see at the same time notes at the bottom of a page and notes at the top of the other page.
The current Continuous View may be renamed Continuous Horizontal View, and another option Continuous Vertical View may be added.
As a workaround, we can set the page height to 2000 mm.
Hey, after nearly another year another person chiming in on this. My aplogies, this is my first comment in a forum here and searching in the issues list came up with one thing about mac scrolling.
When writing parts for few instruments it is very difficult to have to jump from the bottom of one page to the top of the next. The workaround for a 2 meter high page is fine, but if scroll view for a score can be done horizontally then scroll view for less instruments (I'm writing now a snare drum part) should also be considered.
Also, while playing back an mp3 with another program, it is necessary to stop the mp3 and switch to the next page. It is much easier to follow along and simply scroll down as needed.
Now with a 2 meter high page, I can see clearly that I am missing a measure. This is difficult to do when needing to flip from bottom right to top left.
This is more a separation of layout and entry / reading. When time comes to print it would be ideal to not have to change the paper to A4 or whatever and then go back to the 2 meter paper when it's time to enter or read notes.
In reply to Hey, after nearly another by mrwick
Do you have the latest version of MuseScore? With the Continuous View feature, not only do you not need to jump from the bottom of one page up to the top of another, you don't even need to jump from the end of one line back to the beginning of another.
Just a note to anyone still following along that the new version of MuseScore (2.0.3) includes an option in Preferences > Canvas to scroll pages vertically, exactly like the original poster suggested. See https://musescore.org/en/node/104676.