Open and closed hi-hat in drum notation
In my (scanty) knowledge of drum notation, a + over the note indicates closed hi-hat, while an o indicates open. MuseScore by default puts open hi-hats of the "E" space (in treble clef). See this picture:
Bar 1 shows default MuseScore notation.
Bar 2 shows my preferred notation (o added as staff text). Playback sounds wrong.
Bar 3 prints my notation, while playing back correctly (the closed hat is muted).
Under "edit drumset" I can move the open hi-hat to the same spot as the closed one, which fixes part of the problem. I'll probably add "+" and "o" to a palette. But I'd like to see this implemented in the future. Any ideas on how?
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I don't know if it's realistic to expect a text or articulation marking to actually change the pitch of a note, but I guess it doesn't hurt to file a feature request. Meanwhile, you're exactly right about how to do it. Edit your drumset so the open and closed high hat are notated the same, then simply add the marking yourself.
In reply to I don't know if it's by Marc Sabatella
Or - make new kinds of note heads, "Cross w/ o" and "Cross w/ +"?
In reply to Or - make new kinds of note by JGitar
That wouldn't work. Or more particularly, it could only only work for one specific line (same notehead on a different line would have the o/+ in wrong location). Also would not work correctly with regard to stem direction, probably other things.
In reply to That wouldn't work. Or more by Marc Sabatella
But could an articulation that changes pitch (or sound in this case) be feasible?
On another note: is there a way to save offsets for text when putting them in a palette?
In reply to But could an articulation by JGitar
Ah, figured that out -- use text properties instead of the inspector. Here's my palette if anyone's interested (offsets adjusted for quarter, eighth, and sixteenth notes).
In reply to Ah, figured that out -- use by JGitar
Just found this - and it is excellent, just what I need!
Any chance of adding the "half-open hi-hat" symbol - ø - to the palette?
Thanks!
In reply to Just found this - and it is by Tom Read
You can add any symbols you like - see the Handbook under "Custom palettes". You can either create the symbol as text in your score and add it from there, or from the Symbols palette if you can find it there...
In reply to Just found this - and it is by Tom Read
Hi Tom, were you able to find that symbol? I have been looking but I've been unable to find the exact thing.
In reply to Hi Tom, were you able to… by RobFog
Don’t think so.
In reply to Yes, I think it’s in the… by Tom Read
Thanks for the speedy reply. I made a request here: https://musescore.org/en/node/10072#comment-1025877
In reply to Thanks for the speedy reply… by RobFog
It doesn't appear SMuFL defines any such symbol, so you'd have to first get them to add it to the standard in order for it to be used as a true notation symbol.
Meanwhile, certainly that symbol exists as text (which may be one reason it is duplicated in SMuFL), so you should be able to add that to a palette from the Special Characters dialog. There is one version under Musical Symbols / Chord Symbols (it's used for half-diminished), another version in Unicode Symbols / Latin-1 Supplement, another still in Unicode Symbols / Musical Symbols, probably others too.
In reply to It doesn't appear SMuFL… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks a lot, Marc. I'll look into your suggestion. :-)
In reply to I don't know if it's by Marc Sabatella
Yes, it would be very convenient to allow an option of sticking to the current drum notation standards.
In reply to Yes, it would be very by mistery
Problem is there isn't one standard, but multiple...
In reply to Yes, it would be very by mistery
Indeed, there are lots of different standards out there. Our defaults adhere to one of the popular standards, but of course there are others. An interesting question might be, is there a useful small subset of standards we could provide as ready-made options, so if you wish to use one of those standards you need to merely select it from a list rather than customize the drumset manually?
Ideally, people would be able to post links to documents describing their favorite standard. If we end up getting lots of votes for the same 3 or 4 standards, we could take it as evidence that those particular standards really are especially popular among MuseScore users and then considering supporting them as ready-made drumset definitions. My suspicion, however, is that if I get any more than a couple of responses to this at all, it will end up with a dozen or more different standards with one vote each.
In reply to Indeed, there are lots of by Marc Sabatella
Yes, that's a great idea.
I was aware of different ways of drum notation but would not necessarily call them standards. The notation has been evolving and still is. Nothing wrong with that, essentially.
But, as Marc points out, if we call something a "standard" then it should have a pretty clear specification and we should be able to select this particular standard for use. Just like there is now a standard for the drumset key. Actually, there are several of them but a user can select which particular one to use.
Lately, I've mostly been using Audio Graffiti's Drum and Percussion Notation as a reference: http://web.mit.edu/merolish/Public/drums.pdf, which follows Norman
Weinberg’s Guide to Standardized Drumset Notation, and find it pretty comprehensive.
In any case, the benefit of this exercise would be to establish some communication channel, provide an insight into different standards in use, have clear references to these standards, and allow for their implementation and use.
Cheers!
@JGitar
Salve,
io personalmente consiglio questa legenda (vedi allegato Batteria Riffero35, da caricare in Modifica set di Percissioni in MuseScore 3.5) onde evitare di perdere tempo e sporcare ulteriormente la parte nell'aggiungere simboli sopra le note.
Guarda e ascolta l'allegato Mia Batteria. Qiesta Batteria è quella che uso quando scrivo musica leggera e Jazz.
Fatemi sapere. Grazie.
Buona musica
Good reference and good suggestion as to how you go around the problem, I'm doing quite similar to what you do now.
I guess we are still at where you started off, there has been no updates on MuseScore software on this right?
In reply to Good reference and good… by Lee Meng Hee
Scusami ma non è una questione di aggirare il problema: questo tipo di notazione viene adottato dalla maggior parte delle case editrici musicali che editano per Batteria. Fidati, parola di copista!
Buona musica.