Cannot remove one bar or time signature in a particular piece.
I am working on a transcription of a transcription and imported the MXL file. Everything was going fine until I tried to eliminate a bar and remove a time signature. I removed other (redundant) time signatures, but this one is in the middle of a bar and won't let me remove it. And the bar before is an empty bar that I cannot remove. In the attached score it is bars 50 and 51. Please, someone tell me how to get rid of that bar and that extra time signature. I'm stumped until then. Thanks!!
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OK- I found command+delete, so I could get rid of the extra bar, but still can't get rid of the 3/2 time signature in bar 50.
There is another oddity that I found later in the piece. The 3/2 bars have an added non-printing beat that makes the bars 4/2 bars despite the correct time signature. Why is that, and how do I get rid of the extra beat that MS added to each bar in that section? (See attached screenshot). Thanks again.
In reply to OK- I found command+delete,… by asotuba@gmail.com
Ok, this time I removed the 3/2 key signature in bar 79 and put it back in, which seemed to fix bar 79. However, there are still extra beats starting in bar 80 (should be the same rhythm as the now-corrected 79, and even weirder bar 86 now has 3 beats (3/2) , but the signature is 2/2. Bar 87 is correct. (scratching head some more)
When I open the file I don't see a time signature in the middle of a bar. Muse Score reports corruption in bars 112 and 113 and I see a superfluous hidden minim rest at the end of each of those bars. I can ctrl+delete them. I can also ctrl+delete bar 50. I think the 3/2 time signature in the (current) bar 51 is needed there but a simple delete will get rid of it if that is what you want.
In reply to When I open the file I don't… by SteveBlower
Thanks, Steve. See screenshot 3 for what I see in bar 51. The bar correctly has 3 beats in it, but there an extra 3/2 before the 3rd beat.
In reply to Thanks, Steve. See… by asotuba@gmail.com
That's odd- I did a "save as" , closed and opened that file and the extraneous 3/2 in the middle of bar 50 is now gone. Very strange indeed.
In reply to Thanks, Steve. See… by asotuba@gmail.com
I can delete the measure and don't get an extra time signature.
In reply to I can delete the measure and… by mike320
All good- The ending is exactly the same as the beginning, so a DC al fine eliminated the remaining issues. This isn't the first time I've had problems importing XML files created with the Capella app. Next time I'll just use a MIDI file or enter everything from scratch. Thanks for your help.
In reply to All good- The ending is… by asotuba@gmail.com
If you attach the XML someone can look to see if the problem is with the Capella export or MuseScore import. MuseScore is good, but we do find bugs with imports at times. In the future, Capella files can be imported directly by MuseScore with no need to export to XML first.
In reply to If you attach the XML… by mike320
That would be great. I'll attach the original here. I already finished the arrangement (what I sent earlier was very rough) but I had to do a whole lot of cleanup on the simple score. Thanks
In reply to That would be great. I'll… by asotuba@gmail.com
BTW- I only assume that the original was in Capella because the site I found it on only had PDF, MIDI, MXL and Capella formats available. For all I know, the guy did it in MuseScore (or something else) and exported to XML and Capella. I've had plenty of challenges tying to adapt these, especially when there are clef and meter changes. Sometimes I have to change the clef on every page for example.
In reply to BTW- I only assume that the… by asotuba@gmail.com
The .mxl confirms it to have been a Capella MusicXML export
In reply to That would be great. I'll… by asotuba@gmail.com
The .mxl import reports corruptions:
Measure 105, Staff 8 incomplete. Expected: 3/2; Found: 0/1
Measure 106, Staff 6 incomplete. Expected: 3/2; Found: 0/1
Measure 106, Staff 8 incomplete. Expected: 3/2; Found: 0/1
Measure 106, Staff 9 incomplete. Expected: 3/2; Found: 0/1
As long as those are not fixed basically anything can happen. See https://musescore.org/en/node/54721 for various methods to fix them
In reply to If you attach the XML… by mike320
Still if possible MusicXML is the better option, the MuseScore .cap and .capx import is by far not as good.
In reply to Still if possible MusicXML… by Jojo-Schmitz
I often get notifications that the file is corrupted, usually saying simple things like there aren't enough beats in the final measure (when there are). I don't generally get those errors with MIDI imports. But I've had some screwed up MIDI imports sometimes as well.
In reply to I often get notifications… by asotuba@gmail.com
If the report claims corruptions, there are corruptions. If you don't see them you're just not looking hard enough.
MIDI import is always far inferior, only use that as the last resort, that format is just not made for getting musical notation across.
In reply to I often get notifications… by asotuba@gmail.com
Wow. Thanks for that article! I'm glad to see there is a way to salvage those files!
I ended up not needing to deal with the corrupted ending of that score, as I deleted the end of the score and put a DC al fine in instead, since the notes were the same in this case.
Am attaching the finished score (pdf) and MS) so you can see how it turned out. I've adapted at least one transcription per day in the week or so I've been using MuseScore. There's a lot to like with it!
In reply to Wow. Thanks for that… by asotuba@gmail.com
If a measure is reported as corrupt and you just don't see it, it will often become obvious if you exhanges voices 1 & 2 twice (to keep your notes in voice 1) using the tools menu. There are some corruptions that different, but those usually cause a crash if you click the corrupt measure.
In reply to Still if possible MusicXML… by Jojo-Schmitz
Just for grins, I went back to the original corrupted XML file and loaded it to see if the plug-in for fixing corrupted files would work. The plug in said that there was none. But there were all manner of terrible things going on- extra +s all over the place, a 3/2 section with an extra beat at the end of each bar, etc. and even a section out of synch. Then I loaded it from the MIDI file and it had none of those issues. So, I always try the XML versions first, assuming that they have more information. But sometimes the rendering is so messed up that the MIDI version will be more reliable. At least that is some of my experience with the two.
In reply to Just for grins, I went back… by asotuba@gmail.com
There is a difference between corrupt and modified. If there are + or - over a measure it means you have changed the duration of the measure from what is indicated by the time signature. This is not an indication of a corrupt measure. If you have a corrupt measure MuseScore will usually report it when you open the score and tell you which measure and what's wrong with it.