Unexplained big distance between 2 systems
See enclosed score (Rheinberger opus 172). There is a big distance between the 2-nd and 3-rd system op page 5, that I cannot and explain and cannot correct. How come? How to solve?
The space between the other systems can be controlled by Style -> Page -> Min/max systemdistance
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Better like this?
I did reset all positions to default and then moved dynamics and hairpins to above staff and set that to be the style
In reply to Better like this? by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for your quick reply. I had to find out that your procedure only worked after selecting the entire score (select the first measure of the upper staff; then "End" on the keyboard; then Shift + select the last measure of the lower staff). Learned something again. Thank you very much.
In reply to Thanks for your quick reply… by Mike-van-Beek
Ctrl+A, Ctrl+R ;-)
It's good to know how to apply the sledgehammer of the global reset, but it's also good to understand the problem. In this case, it's a single lyric that was dragged way above the staff in measure 89. The lyric appears to be empty, which is why you can't see it. I found it by clicking measures in the affected systems individually and hitting Ctrl+R until I found which reset did the trick. Then I used Alt+Left/Right to move through the elements of that measure one at a time, looking at the status bar to see what is selected. You will see there are two lyrics attached to the E on beat 2, one of them the one you see, the other you don't.
While the empty one is selected, hit Delete to remove it. Best to get rid of it even though it's now reset and not causing any obvious problems.
In reply to It's good to know how to… by Marc Sabatella
My reset and style settings was a good thing in itself though
In reply to My reset and style settings… by Jojo-Schmitz
Absolsutely! In general, one should rely on manual adjustments as little as possible and style settings as much as possible. The manual adjustments are much more work, much harder to get consistent, and much more likely to not look as expected if the score layout changes.
But on top of that, removing the errant lyric in this case is good too.
In reply to Absolsutely! In general,… by Marc Sabatella
Yes, sure. And the steps to spot it are quite interesting
In reply to It's good to know how to… by Marc Sabatella
From looking at the lyric, it's empty. It seems that an empty lyric should be automatically deleted like empty staff or system text elements.
This isn't a common occurrence but I've seen it before in the forums.
In reply to From looking at the lyric,… by mike320
Yes, this is not the first time and yes this should not be allowed.
In reply to From looking at the lyric,… by mike320
Normally empty lyrics would be deleted, but something went wrong apparently. Actually, one could check the MSCX if one wanted, but it's entirely possible it isn't truly empty, but contains some non-printing ASCII character(s).
If it is truly empty, we'd want to fix that bug that led to it not being deleted automatically, but we'd need to know how to reproduce it.
In reply to Normally empty lyrics would… by Marc Sabatella
Well, it is truly empty, in this case at least:
In reply to Well, it is truely empty, in… by Jojo-Schmitz
That's what I saw but it doesn't always do that so it's a bug that would need to be reproduced to fix.
In reply to That's what I saw but it… by mike320
Well, not allowing for an empty text would fix this issue quite well
In reply to Well, not allowing for an… by Jojo-Schmitz
We can certainly delete them on read of the file. But as I said, we already delete them in any of the cases I know of where there might somehow get created, so this never should have happened in the first place. We'd really know how it did happen, so we can fix that case right there and not have to wait for the file to be written and then read.
In reply to It's good to know how to… by Marc Sabatella
That was a very laborious method, but it made the problem transparent. Thanks for the explanation.