I tried changing the local time signature of an empty measure and this message still shows up
I even tried removing the d.c. sign
edit: I deleted what seems to be a 'messy' measure and added extra measures in between and it's now solved
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The measures later in the score are not empty, but would be affected by such a change too.
Why do you want a local time signature there in the first place?
Why the hidden C in the measure before?
In reply to The measures later in the… by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm trying to playback a piece that's in MuseScore so I can't give good answers to your questions but the beats really vary on per measure on the g clef when I tried inputting them so I inserted lots of local time signatures.
In reply to I'm trying to playback a… by wachamcaulid
I'd like to see that score then, as an mscz and some image, like Pdf, to see what you really want to achieve there
I suspect you're misunderstanding the intention of that score.
But try to first "change" the next measure to the C time sig (globally), then apply the local time sig to that empty measure
In reply to I'd like to see that score… by Jojo-Schmitz
the mscx that I'm working on(work in progress):
Animation.mscx
the score that I'm trying to put:
Animation.pdf
In reply to the mscx that I'm working on… by wachamcaulid
I don't see any need for any local time signature or any other than the C one at the beginning of the score
In reply to I don't see any need for any… by Jojo-Schmitz
some measures are irregular, and some measures have a different beats for the g clef, for example and that's why I put local time signatures (though I'll hide them)
In reply to some measures are irregular,… by wachamcaulid
You started wrongly already, those triplets, you use 3 (8ths) on the space of 1 rather than the regular 3 (8ths) in the space of 2 (8ths, or one quarter). That's why you needed to adjust the measure durations, but that's not needed at all.
In reply to You started wrongly already,… by Jojo-Schmitz
though I asked last time about the number 3 with slurs on top and they were triplets(you also agreed that they were triplets)
In reply to though I asked last time… by wachamcaulid
They are triplets. Perfectly normal and regular ones at that, so 3 in the space ot 2,select a qzater duration and press Ctrl+3 to get them.
Only non-standard thing about them is the slur style tuplet bracket, which MuseScore doesn't support, see #111626: Add option to display tuplet brackets as slurs to match historical notation
In reply to You started wrongly already,… by Jojo-Schmitz
is there a tutorial on how that works? I don't see it or maybe I just forgot that it's in the handbook.
In reply to is there a tutorial on how… by wachamcaulid
There is https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/tuplets and How to create triplets and other tuplets
In reply to some measures are irregular,… by wachamcaulid
Like Jojo, I don't see any irregular measure or need for local time signature. Which one is the first measure that you think is irregular? I mean in the pdf: which page/line/measure is irregular for you (just give us one, no need to give us the full list)?
In reply to some measures are irregular,… by wachamcaulid
Check the attached, first 3 measures only, no local timesig nor any changed measure durations at all
In reply to Check the attached, first 3… by Jojo-Schmitz
Measure four(g clef) doesn't show a triplet but should it still be a triplet?
And is everything I put as c or 4/4 already correct?
In reply to Measure four(g clef) doesn't… by wachamcaulid
Measure four isn't showing the number 3 above the triplets because the rhythm is the same as the previous line so the triplet indicator can be omitted. But yes they are triplets, no irregular measure at all there.
In reply to Measure four isn't showing… by frfancha
"can be omitted" > "has been omitted"
In reply to "can be omitted" > "has been… by Jojo-Schmitz
Well by "can be omitted" I mean that musically you are allowed to not repeat the triplet sign, but you may repeat it if you want.
I hope that my first sentence "isn't showing" is clear enough to say that indeed it has been omitted here.
In reply to Well by "can be omitted" I… by frfancha
Omitting it is quite confusing
In reply to Omitting it is quite… by Jojo-Schmitz
Well that's what the pdf is doing, isn't it?
And our goal is to help our friend to read that pdf.
In reply to Well that's what the pdf is… by frfancha
Ah, yes, the Pdf is indeed somewhat confusing
In reply to Ah, yes, the Pdf is indeed… by Jojo-Schmitz
I thought you said that it was just my .mscz-
(yes I am confused but that's probably because I don't know it too well)
In reply to Measure four(g clef) doesn't… by wachamcaulid
Not really correct. The entire score seems a whole mess to me. You'd better start from scratch again
In reply to Not really. by Jojo-Schmitz
yeah I restarted but fortunately I can copy-past and correct the notes since it's all 4/4
In reply to yeah I restarted but… by wachamcaulid
Nope, didn't work for me, like for the 1St measure, due to those 3/1 triplets
In reply to Not really. by Jojo-Schmitz
is the pdf score such a mess or is it just my messy time signature thing since I already restarted it?
In reply to is the pdf score such a mess… by wachamcaulid
The pdf scan seems quite normal music to me, no mess in there.
In reply to is the pdf score such a mess… by wachamcaulid
Your score is a mess, not the pdf
In reply to Your score is a mess, not… by Jojo-Schmitz
I already restarted. I did not use time signature this time.(work in progress)
though measure 4, bass clef and measure 5, treble clef still seem kind of confusing because:
1.(measure 4, bass clef) the pdf says that there are 2 8th notes and 2 quarter notes that would fit but that would be 6/8
2.(measure 5, treble clef) this one seems fine although I'm not sure if the notes should be aligned with the notes in the bass clef like I saw in the pdf
Animation.mscz
In reply to I already restarted. I did… by wachamcaulid
You wrote:
1.(measure 4, bass clef) the pdf says that there are 2 8th notes and 2 quarter notes
It appears to be a publishing error. Look at the bass clef of measure 3 and you will see.
In fact, you must have copy/pasted measure 2 into measure 4 because you didn't notice the last chord in the treble clef is different. The last chord in measure 2 treble clef is an octave higher then the chord in measure 4.
Also:
2.(measure 5, treble clef) this one seems fine although I'm not sure if the notes should be aligned with the notes in the bass clef like I saw in the pdf
The notes should be aligned as in the pdf.
![Stem align.png]( "Stem align.png")
Look at this image and notice the alignment of the note stems.
The 16ths might look look like 8ths to you, but need to be 16ths to line up with the bass clef timing:
Here's the score of the bottom image with the proper note alignment (and the corrected chord in measure 4:
Animation_3a.mscz
In reply to You wrote: 1.(measure 4,… by Jm6stringer
Ok I will correct the wrong notes but
1.Why does the pdf show the notes as an 8th note when it is actually a 16th?
2.Is the bpm supposed to be 70?
In reply to Ok I will correct the wrong… by wachamcaulid
1.Why does the pdf show the notes as an 8th note when it is actually a 16th?
The pdf is a collection of scanned pages from a book with copyright year of 1884, Lee & Walker the publisher in Philadelphia. Some publishers were better than others when it came to engraving and proofreading.
You have already seen measure 4 of the bass clef showing 2 chords beamed as eighth notes instead of unbeamed quarter notes.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are further issues with interpretation.
2.Is the bpm supposed to be 70?
Music is meant to be played and listened to. I set the tempo to 70 to slow it down so that I could make sense of the rhythm, timing, meter.
Also, using the metronome at a slower tempo helps to discern with which beats the notes line up. Performance tempo could be faster. The opening instruction simply shows "Vigoroso".
In reply to 1.Why does the pdf show the… by Jm6stringer
I might end up rambling on the confusing stuff of the pdf so I might need to start another thread for that in this post so we may need to stop this thread if that's what might happen.
(though it's either because I'm an amateur at this or the pdf is kind of messy or both)
In reply to The measures later in the… by Jojo-Schmitz
but I deleted what seems to be a messy measure and added more measures inbetween because when I tried adding more measures previously, I did not delete that messy measure and my problem was solved