File>Score Properties>Copyright AND Format>Style>Header Footer copyright metatag are potentially at odds
I can add a copyright notice via File>Score Properties>Copyright and MuseScore displays that copyright notice at the bottom of each page. Oddly though, if I double-click the resulting copyright text in the score MuseScore opens Format>Style>Header Footer panel, which by default has no copyright notification.
I know the Footer can have a copyright meta tag, and that's potentially useful in its own right. [UPDATE (2021-09-21): Currently I'm unable to reproduce the behavior described in the remainder of this paragraph.] But when there is content in Score Properties>Copyright, best I can tell, MuseScore displays that ... and not the Footer's metatag copyright content. If there is no content in Score Properties>Copyright, and I delete the content in File>Score Properties>Copyright, then and only then does MuseScore display the Format>Style>Header Footer copyright content. This seems weird on at least a couple of levels.
Whatever the case, I would like to rely on File>Score Properties>Copyright for copyright notification, as it confers the notification to the posting information on MuseScore.com
So it would be an improvement if double-clicking copyright text opened File>Score Properties, particularly when that is the only place currently storing copyright text.
scorster
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I'm not following what you mean here. Can you attach a score and give precise steps to reproduce the problem?
In reply to I'm not following what you… by Marc Sabatella
Here's a score
MuseScore Score Properties Copyright notification.mscz
Steps to replicate:
However, now I notice that MuseScore concatenates the copyright text from both locations. Still not good. Not sure how these objects are meant to play together.
In reply to Here's a score [inline… by scorster
What I meant by steps to reproduce the problem is, what must I do after opening your score in order to see a problem? In the score you posted, I see that you have added text to the copyright in Score Properties (perhaps you added it in the wizard when creating the score)., and I see that in Format / Style / Header, Footer, you have defined to the footer to display both the copyright message and also additional text that you typed into this box. And that's exactly what you get - the copyright text and the additional text, exactly as you asked for. Are you saying there is something you would do next that would cause a problem to occur?
In reply to What I meant by steps to… by Marc Sabatella
Marc wrote >> * what must I do after opening your score in order to see a problem?*
Hi Marc,
Please reread the second sentence in the initial post. You'll find that answer to your question there.
Overall I'm wondering why MuseScore provides two means for displaying copyright notification. Are there are unique properties to each method that would cause a scorist prefer approach over the other in a given situation? I know we have more formatting control over the Footer method, and oddly not for the Score Property method, unless I've overlooked something.
I'm also perlexed that in this score MuseScore concatenates the copyright texts ... and yet, in another score, the Score Properties version somehow foists the Footer version from view. When I encounter that again I'll post an example score.
scorster
In reply to Marc wrote >> * what must I… by scorster
MuseScore provides one means for headerand footer text (Format > Style > Header/Footer).
And one means to enter copyright (File > Score properties > copyright, possibly filled in by the New Score Wizard).
And one (actually 3) means to have copyright automatically in header/footer (the macros
$C,$cand$:copyright:), and there are other macros too, like for page numbers.For copyright there is the metadata on one hand and a way to show that in the score on the other hand.
If you (double-)click on the copyright, you actually select header/footer, so that dialog shows.
In reply to Marc wrote >> * what must I… by scorster
Footers are used for more than just copyright text, they can contain any text, which might or might not be a copyright notice and which might or might not include metatags to pull in score information text which then might or might not be also a copyright metatag.
When you're editing the footer you're not editing "the copyright"; you're editing the text field from the footer, which in turn might pull in the copyright score information via a metatag.
In reply to Marc wrote >> * what must I… by scorster
I would put it this way: a footer is just a place to put text. It could happen to be the copyright message alone, or it could happen to include other information, or it could be something else entirely. it's totally up to you, and whatever you tell MuseScore to place in that footer, MuseScore obliges. If you place both the copyright message and other text in the footer, then absolutely positively both should appear. Anything else would be wrong. If you only want one - only the copyright message, or only the other text - then only include that. Not sure how that could be seen as surprising?
I personally have used footers for all sorts of information above and beyond copyright - things like the title of the work, the title of the larger work to which it belongs, page numbers, other reference information, etc. So it's important that all of this information be something I can include in the footer, but it's also important I can include the actual copyright information along with it.
I have no idea what you mean about another score in which "the Score Properties version somehow foists the Footer version from view". If you are suggesting you've encountered a case where even though the footer does not contain the copyright info, the copyright info somehow appears anyhow, that would be a bug. But I've never heard of such a thing happening and frankly find it pretty hard to believe that would be possible, If you do find a case, though, be sure to post it so we can investigate.
In reply to I would put it this way: a… by Marc Sabatella
A small related niggle. On Style>Header,Footer, when we first hover over a header or footer definition field, we get a popup guide to the recognized "special symbols" to use in such fields.
That only stays up a short, predetermined time, often hardly enough to look through it to find what we want. I'm not sure what would be a better U/I here, but it needs to be something that lets us ponder that guide as long as we need to.
When I already know what I want to enter in a footer field, and move the mouse pointer there to start making the entry, the guide pops up, often obscuring the area in which a I am working, and I need to wait for it to retire before I can continue to make my entry.
On that guide, for the metadata tags, for the items defined in Score Properties, it gives as an example the current values from Score Properties. or rather what those were when the score file was first created. If is was made by cloning another score file, those examples forever show what those metadata values were in the other score. It would probably be best to just give static examples; if not, the examples should be updated to the current values in Score Properties.
Doug
In reply to A small related niggle. On… by Doug Kerr
The same tooltip is in the handbook, thatere you can watch it as long as you like ;-)
In reply to A small related niggle. On… by Doug Kerr
I was in error as to the basis for the examples of metadata tag content seen in the special symbols guide. It seems that the examples are in fact the content of the corresponding fields in Score Properties in the first score opened in this MuseScore session.
If the first score is newly created, the examples will be the entries made in the New Score Wizard.
Entries made later in Score Properties do not come into this deal (unless of course the score is saved and then later becomes the first score opened in a new MuseScore session.
My apologies for the error in my original report.
Doug
In reply to I was in error as to the… by Doug Kerr
Yes, well possible that this tooltip is set up on the initial score load and not updated again later.
Scorster wrote > I can add a copyright notice via File>Score Properties>Copyright and MuseScore displays that copyright notice at the bottom of each page. Oddly though, if I double-click the resulting copyright text in the score MuseScore opens Format>Style>Header Footer panel, which by default has no copyright notification.
Let me try this again, by illuminating this thread's opening paragraph with steps that show the issue:
• New score
• File>Score Properties
• Set the Copyright field to "Pulbic Domain"
• Click OK
• MuseScore displays "Pulbic Domain" at the bottom of the score
On seeing the typo I want to correct the copyright notice
• I double click on "Pulbic Domain"
and MuseScore opens the Header Footer dialog, where of course there is no copyright text
Everyone's cool with this?
scorster
In reply to Scorster wrote > I can add a… by scorster
Yes, I'm fine with that. To correct the typo I go to File > Score properties, and directly
In reply to Scorster wrote > I can add a… by scorster
scorster,
But when the Header,Footer dialog opens, it has in the footer center fields '&:copyright:', which represents whatever is in the Score Properties Copyright field. So yes, there is "copyright text" there, albeit symbolically.
If you want to change what is in the Score Properties Copyright field (so the new text will appear as the footer), you can change it there.
Or, when the Header,Footer dialog is open just kill the '&:copyright:' and type in what you want that footer to say as to copyright.
Doug
In reply to Scorster wrote > I can add a… by scorster
You don't (double-)click on the copyright, but on the footer, this had been added as a convenience not too long ago, as a shortcut to Format > Style > Header/Footer.
What would you expect to happen if you click on the page number?
That is also part of the footer, and also as a macro, to change it you'd need to go to Format > Page settings
In reply to Scorster wrote > I can add a… by scorster
Again, the footer is just text, could be anything, MuseScore has no way of knowing your goal here is to actually edit the copyright text as opposed to some other aspect of the footer. So it would be quite inconvenient if double-clicking the footer didn't allow you actually edit the footer, but instead only allows you to edit the copyright message that may or may not even be included in the footer. Absolutely, double-clicking the footer should open the footer dialog, not some possibly-unrelated other dialog.
On the other hand, since the footer does allow you to access the copyright and other metadata, it would be nice if from within the footer dialog you could also access score properties to actually edit that metadata. like if double-clicking the copyright tag within the footer popped up another dialog where you could edit the text.
In reply to Again, the footer is just… by Marc Sabatella
Marc,
I agree. That would be a nice further feature.
Doug